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Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40 reformulated, no longer Ferrari approved

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  1. goto35march

    goto35march Karting

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    mobile 1 5w-40?
     
  2. Extreme1

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    Mobil 1 0W-40, European car formula. Mobil 1 is the factory fill in Mercedes, Porsche and Corvette.


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  3. tazandjan

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    Any good 5W-40 or 0W-40 full synthetic will work fine, including the one that no longer has the little Ferrari emblem on the container. I use Valvoline 5W-40 full synthetic. Works great and no foaming.
     
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  4. f355spider

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    One of the important specifications would be the High-Temperature/High-Shear rating. Since the Ferrari approved oils also have the BMW LL-01 rating, you can extrapolate the HTHS as being greater than 3.5, which is required to meet LL-01. I would seek an oil with a similar rating. Ideally, a 0w-40 or 5w-40 with either an LL-01 rating or in the alternative, an HTHS of 3.5 or greater.
     
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  5. fotostars

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    I have my last batch of Pennzoil with the Logo that's going in the 360 next month. After that, I plan on using Castrol Edge 5W40. This is what I've been using for years in my other Europeans (Mercedes, Porsche and VW). I buy at Walmart for $24.97 for 5Qt Jug... https://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-EDGE-5W-40-Advanced-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil-5-Quarts/145736795

    It has all the proper high end German requirements FWIW.
    • API CF / SN
    • ACEA A3/B4
    • BMW Longlife-01
    • MB-Approval 229.3
    • Porsche A40
    • VW 502 00 / 505 00
     
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  6. Doctor Mark

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    Several things spring to mind. The factory fill in the U.S. for Corvettes is 0W40 but not the Mobil 1 European car 0W40 but rather the new Dexos 2 Mobil 1 ESP 0W40 which is a different product formula for emission equipment preservation. Additionally, Ferrari specs 5W40 not 0W40.
     
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    +1 for Castrol Edge 5W40. Putting it in my Cayman and 355.
     
  8. f355spider

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    There is generally no issue with a 0W-40 over a 5W-40. All that means is upon cold start, the 0W will have better flow as it is not as thick as a 5W before warming to operating temperature. Both will thin to a 40 weight at operating temperature.
     
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    #34 f355spider, Apr 20, 2020
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    The Castro Edge 0w-40 has even better specs, as it has the more stringent MB Approval 229.5 (lower soot, piston deposits, etc). It is claimed to also have a better base stock than the Castrol Edge 5W-40. But, it lost the BMW LL-01 approval when it was reformulated last year, presumably to meet the newer MB 229.5. It still has an HTHS of 3.5
    ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 API SN/CF Meets Ford WSS-M2C937-A MB-Approval 229.3/ 229.5 Porsche A40 VW 502 00 / 505 00

    Lots of discussions comparing the Castrol Edge 0w-40 versus the 5w-40 on Bobistheoilguy.com forum and on the BMW forums. Even without the LL-01, many users believe the 0w-40 is the superior choice for BMWs and other european cars.
     
  10. tazandjan

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    Mark- Ferrari specifies 5W-40 or 0W-40 for the 360 and 575M. This is copied from the 2003 360 OM:

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    Capacità totale impianto 2.63 USgallon (9,95 l)
    System total capacity
    Capacité totale du circuit
    Capacidad total de la instalación
    Shell HELIX ULTRA
    SAE 5W-40
    or SAE 0W-40
     
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    Thank you for calling that to my attention
     
  12. I'm 360 Canuck

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    Hopefully you guys kept the "ferrrari approved" empty bottles.

    That way, when your car is sleeping, or Enzos ghost is visiting one of his mistress-ghosts, you can pour some other oil into them before later pouring it into your car, so noone is the wiser <wink>.
     
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    I know this is coming in over a year later, but you can select "old packaging" when you order this from Amazon.

    Does anyone know if the oil has actually been reformulated or has the packaging just been updated?
     
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    Redline or motoul sport are true ester based group V . All most all that other stuff is group III
     
  15. goto35march

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    what oil is now used at the actual ferrari dealership?
     
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    #42 f355spider, Oct 18, 2021
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    It is, but the Pennzoil documentation is inconsistent. The PDF I linked in the first post shows it is not approved. But their advertising literature states their 5w-40 Euro is Ferrari approved. Its confusing.
     
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    Another vote for Castrol Edge. I use it in everything. Stays clean, doesn't foam, doesn't burn. Been impressed for many years. Might try the 0-40 in the 430. Way more expensive than the 5-40 so must be better. :) Ran 5-40 in my AMG V8 and it didn't like it. Noisy lifters till warm. Switched to 0-40, problem solved.
     
  19. 67bmer

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    I ordered some pennzoil from Amazon with the Ferrari logo and got the regular pennzoil without the logo.
     
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    Ps. I returned it because it wasn’t what I ordered for $5/qt more than the regular.
     
  21. f355spider

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    #46 f355spider, Oct 18, 2021
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    You have to order the "old packaging" to get the earlier version with the Ferrari logo.
    https://www.amazon.com/Pennzoil-Platinum-Synthetic-5W-40-1-Quart/dp/B00JMCCBRW/ref=asc_df_B00JMCCBRW/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242667734520&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17881286599472112673&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033345&hvtargid=pla-442607056057&psc=1

    I emailed Pennzoil and asked if there was truly a difference between the products
     
  22. f355spider

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    BTW, if you go to the Pennzoil website and enter a Ferrari model into their look up, instead of recommending the Euro 5w-40 like it used to, it now says to call their technical support at an 800 number.
     
  23. Mario Andretti

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    I did so; and got the non-Ferrari packaging... I think it's the same thing, and we're picking straws. It is good oil, and how long are we going to run it, 15k miles? no, it will be out next year at yearly fluid change, with most likely less than 3k miles on it. Still has all the Fiat , BMW, Porsche, etc approvals on it.
     
  24. Mario Andretti

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    To be honest, if I would try something else, I would do the Liqui Molly Liechtlauf High Tech 5w-40. It is on recommendation list for Ferrari F430. LM is superb, my M3 does not burn any, and it's quiet as a mouse with this oil (of course; different weight, for M3 is 10w-60).
     
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