Pennzoil "Ultra" and ZMax

brnmw · Feb 6, 2013

Don't know if anyone has tried this yet.... and I am not one to fall into "Hype", but since I switched to Pennzoil "Ultra" (Now full time) and adding ZMax my gas mileage has gone from 19.5 to 19.9 mpg. That may not sound like a big difference to some but there is still something to be said for that. I have been using it now for awhile and the result has been a positive one IMO. Not saying that the other brands used before were bad they have all been great: (aka: Lucas Oil, Pennzoil "Platinum", for ex.), However I switched to Pennzoil "Ultra" about 6 oil changes ago on my '06 Ford Mustang GT Coupe (Modified) and that has been the result. (Started to see results in the 1st oil change for the record.)
Just thought I would pass that along.
Thanks.

(For all the Ferrari owners using the Pennzoil "Ultra".... this is not any news to you.)

(For all the non-Ferrari owners and Ferrari owners that "Do Not" use it.... Start!)

Schimpf · Feb 9, 2013

I consider most of those products snake oil. I would require too much $ to prove what it actually does & if it's beneficial.

PP I'm a fan of. Ultra is very thin, so I prefer PP in the SUV, which has stellar results from an oil analysis. Good engine wear before I started using PP though

leead1 · Feb 10, 2013

Schimpf said: ↑

I consider most of those products snake oil. I would require too much $ to prove what it actually does & if it's beneficial.

PP I'm a fan of. Ultra is very thin, so I prefer PP in the SUV, which has stellar results from an oil analysis. Good engine wear before I started using PP though
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Early in my career I was a lubrication engineer for inhouse equipment for a manufacturing company.

I would just use the oil that is recommended by the manufacturer. If the car is older before synethics use those oils do not change to the newer synethic oil.

The manufacturers of these vehicles do many tests to be sure there are not hot spots in the engine. The weak spot for synthhetics is if they get too hot they break down and stop lubricating and your engine will be damaged over time. Synthetic oils are better for the cars that are designed for them.

Older cars using synthetic oil will get better gas milage and maybe a slight higher idle but within a short period of time the engine will be damaged.

The older style oils are about the same no matter what the name. This is because of the lubrication package put in the oil by the manufacturer.

In some suropean cars they have very expensive oils. If you look at the chemistry of these oils it is hard to beat Mobile 1 for protection at least in the USA.

Lee

brnmw · Feb 11, 2013

Now, I do not own an "Exotic" just a modified 2006 Mustang which is designed to use a full synth 5W-20 oil and does very well with it. I have no intention to keep this car as my everyday driver, only temporarily at the moment, I very recently purchased an old Mazda B2500 as a daily driver... (I wanted to get something that I don't have to worry about, I have an idiot co-worker that has already damaged other peoples cars in the parking lot so I have to purposely park a very far away to avoid him even with my Mustang.) As for my OP...I have seen these results with the Mustang, I am willing to give it a try and see how the truck responds it is only a 4-cyl. with "ZERO" power and runs pretty rough at this second but I will fix that. If I can manage 1 mpg better that will add up over time. AS for my question because I am really not a quote "Oil Expert" but oil even synth. is very thick upon startup and then as it heats up "thins out" therefore passing through engine oil passages better ....hence more wear and tear during the startup at the beginning of each day (And does so passing through easier at startup than say "Conv. oil".). I have always heard that synth. oils even in older vehicles can't hurt them just as long as you are using the mftr. recommended oil weights.... right? I do not expect the oil to perform a miracle and make the truck really any better than what its original intended specs allow but still, I would imagine it could not hurt either. I, due to my knowledge of oil do not use say Lucas Oil "Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer/ or even the Synth. Oil Stabilizer" as some people due because it does indeed "ADD" to the oil level and thus raises oil pressure, but that is also not a good thing for an everyday driver.... the thicker the oil in some cases the harder it is to get the oil pump to push the oil to where it needs to go. (more so for people in the northern states where it is colder and oil gets really thick). I have already heard people say that the Pennzoil "Ultra" quote does "Clean" an engine (and I am not referring to the commercials telling people that.) which is what I would like to accomplish for the Mazda and see if it is capable of running a little smoother.

leead1 · Feb 13, 2013

brnmw said: ↑

Now, I do not own an "Exotic" just a modified 2006 Mustang which is designed to use a full synth 5W-20 oil and does very well with it. I have no intention to keep this car as my everyday driver, only temporarily at the moment, I very recently purchased an old Mazda B2500 as a daily driver... (I wanted to get something that I don't have to worry about, I have an idiot co-worker that has already damaged other peoples cars in the parking lot so I have to purposely park a very far away to avoid him even with my Mustang.) As for my OP...I have seen these results with the Mustang, I am willing to give it a try and see how the truck responds it is only a 4-cyl. with "ZERO" power and runs pretty rough at this second but I will fix that. If I can manage 1 mpg better that will add up over time. AS for my question because I am really not a quote "Oil Expert" but oil even synth. is very thick upon startup and then as it heats up "thins out" therefore passing through engine oil passages better ....hence more wear and tear during the startup at the beginning of each day (And does so passing through easier at startup than say "Conv. oil".). I have always heard that synth. oils even in older vehicles can't hurt them just as long as you are using the mftr. recommended oil weights.... right? I do not expect the oil to perform a miracle and make the truck really any better than what its original intended specs allow but still, I would imagine it could not hurt either. I, due to my knowledge of oil do not use say Lucas Oil "Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer/ or even the Synth. Oil Stabilizer" as some people due because it does indeed "ADD" to the oil level and thus raises oil pressure, but that is also not a good thing for an everyday driver.... the thicker the oil in some cases the harder it is to get the oil pump to push the oil to where it needs to go. (more so for people in the northern states where it is colder and oil gets really thick). I have already heard people say that the Pennzoil "Ultra" quote does "Clean" an engine (and I am not referring to the commercials telling people that.) which is what I would like to accomplish for the Mazda and see if it is capable of running a little smoother.
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Regular oils and syn oils are different. The syn oils can give protection at higher temperatures. I use to know the exact temps but age has reased that for me. The problem with synth is once that oil temp is reached you lose lubricity and the metal parts start to fail and you can seize the engine. Natural based oils cannot go for the high temps untill they begin to stop lubrication. The interesting thing is although they begin to lose lubricity they continue to give some protection at temps higher then synth oil. The natural oils begin to varnish but you still get some protection.

This is why car manfacturers do alot of anayslsis to look for hot spots inside an engine block.

We all need to be careful who we listen to. Oil is a difficult subject that is why I recommend going with the manufacturers suggestion.

Pls permit me a small war story. I was looking for an Enzo Ferrari. I found one and we agreed to a price. I decided to have the engine oil checked as is done on airplane engines.
I found alot of metal in the oil. The Enzo engine was slowly failing. The owner who is a nationally known surgeon most likely did not know this. He had decided to use 5 weight oil instead of the 60 weight recommend by Ferrari. Well no problem I will just subtract the price of an engine rework from the price of the car. The engine head including valves was $250K.

That did not even touch the other parts of the engine. Needless to say I did not buy the car and I also decided altough I could afford to purchase the car I most likely could not afford to maintane it

LEE

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