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Penske To F1 In 2008 ???

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  1. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    That's the rumor, so what chassis/engine? Toyota? Will Toyota turn over their operation to Penske? I remember that Penske's F1 chassis from 20+ years ago was very mediocre.

    Any ideas, guesses?
     
  2. kizdan

    kizdan F1 Veteran

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    I read that story today as well.

    Penske will only do it if budgets are reasonable, I believe the article mentioned the $80 million range.

    I would love to see Penske back in F1. The more American presence in the sport, the better. If anyone can do it, it would be Penske.
     
  3. Bill Sawyer

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    Interesting idea. He's a guy who can't stand failure, so it's possible he wants to return before he dies, but, as Kisdan said, he won't do it unless everything is in place. Add the complication of a new Porsche ALMS effort and he may decide he has too much on his plate at the moment.
     
  4. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    I would love to see a US team in F1. However, IIRC, in the 80's when Penske was still building their own chassis for CART, weren't their team either based in GB or are made up of mostly engineers from GB? As for the engine, maybe either GM or Ford will finally step up to the plate and be a engine supplier.
     
  5. tifosi12

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    If Mad Max gets his wish and cars and parts will become tradable in the near future we might see a whole bunch of car/racing manufacturers join F1 slapping their label and/or engineering onto an existing design.

    Having a US team in F1 can only be a good thing. More power to Penske if they'll do it.
     
  6. Wouter Melissen

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    His first spell was cut short abruptly when his protege, Mark Donohue, fatally crashed in Austria. Wether Penske would have been up to it then we will never know, but his meticulous preperation style would have very well suited F1 of the day. I'm not sure if entering F1 as an independent team at the moment is a good idea, but I can't see them taking over from Mike Gascoigne and his boys either. As for Ford and General Motors, I highly doubt they will take on such an expensive challenge in this financial difficult (understatement) period for both companies.

    He would make a great addition, but I think he should stick with what he knows best; American road racing and running Porsche's LMP program.
     
  7. amenasce

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    Theres no point entering today's F1 with a 80m$ budget. The mercedes pace cars will be faster !
     
  8. racerx3317

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    That may not be the case in 08. Some of those new rules make F1 do-able for 80 mil. I hope he leaves the IRL too.
     
  9. BartonWorkman

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    Where is this "rumor" being reported? I've looked all over the usual sources and dont see any word about it.

    Were Penske to move back into F1, it would certainly have to come at the expense of one (if not more) of his stateside projects (IRL, ALMS or NASCAR).

    He's got strong ties to Toyota, yes, but also to Honda, Porsche and Dodge. However, an American entrant the calibre of Penske would certainly be good
    for everyone involved and believe me, he can afford more than an $80M budget.

    BHW
     
  10. hps

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    Please corerct me if Iam wrong, but doesn't the Concorde aggreement state that there cannot be more than 12 teams in the championship?
    With Super Aguri likely for '06, that makes 11, and is not the McLaren "B" team in for 07 ?
    In other words, if there are 12, what are the odds of Bernie letting Roger in? (I know I would , if I were Bernie.......)
    Anybody have any knowledge of this ?

    hps
     
  11. rush109

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    yikes...indeed that could happen,lol
     
  12. RP

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    This information about Penske entering F1 in 2008 appeared in Autosport, which in my opinion, is usually the first and best for news in every form of closed circuit racing.
     
  13. azbobbybooshay10

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    Yes, but doesn't the Concorde Agreement end after 2006 or 2007 anyway? I really don't care for a limit, the more the merrier! I'd LOVE to go back to the early-mid 90's when you actually had to LIMIT the number of qualifying positions available because you have so many cars trying to make the field?
     
  14. Wouter Melissen

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    Is it not the situation right now that the grid has to consist of at least 20 cars and at the most 24. I think there is no limit to the amount of cars that can enter the practice/qualifying section. Under the current Concorde Agreement McLaren can't field a B-team because every team has to construct their own chassis.
     
  15. spirot

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    I would have no doubt if Penske gets in F-1 he would be in to win... and make $$$.

    With that poor state of F-1 now I can't see why he would get involved, unless he could win... Toyota? .... it would be interesting.... they did very well in the 70's!
     
  16. tifosi12

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    Yes and yesss!

    Concorde ends after 2007 and there is no plan to extend it.
     
  17. Senna1994

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    In addition who is to say that all of teams that are in F1 right now will be around in two years? Remember Renault comes and goes, Honda does the same as well. Lets see who is still around in 08.

    I'd love Penske to leave the IRL anyways as well.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    I'd love all teams to leave the IRL and go back to CART.
    :)
     
  19. Senna1994

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    Now that would be fantastic, the only other thing would be for CART to have races at some of the old race tracks (mixture of OVALS, Street, and Road Courses) as opposed to the Temporary Street courses they seem to be favoring. One last thing, perhaps they can have two engine and two chassis suppliers to liven up things. NO MORE IRL!!!!! That would be great.
     
  20. teak360

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    I was standing at the end of the garage area at the Indy F1 race a couple of years ago looking at the Mercedes pace car. It was early in the day and there were no other people near the car. Up walk two guys, Bernie and Penske, chatting away. Guess what they were talking about? The lack of a US presence in F1. They then hopped in the pace car, with Penske driving, and did a couple of hot laps.
     
  21. tifosi12

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    agreed to all
     
  22. RP

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    Growing up in western Ohio, I started going to the Indianapolis 500 when I was in high school. Used to go to the race and all of the qualification weekends. I watched it become CART from USAC. But then the politics, and a group of arrogant team owners, caused a split. These team owners not only thought they could run the series better, they scheduled their first race the exact same date as the "500". Consider that no successful

    These arrogant team owners slapped all of us as race fans in the face with this move, suggesting we toss our then expensive "500" tickets in the the trash to attend their first event at Michigan International Speedway. I bought into that, ordered great seats to that first CART race. But then I realized I just got s**t on by these team owners. So I decided not to attend either event in my own little protest.

    I was very VERY pleased when on the first lap these arrogant team owners watched as their drivers embarassingly wrecked into each other. I never cheered so much. I never before and I have never since applauded a track accident. But it was fitting.

    So I still have my incredible first turn Penthouse seats to the "500", I haven't been since Emerson and Little Al touched at the end of their race.

    I will never ever forgive CART for treating the race fan so poorly, but then two of those arrogant team owners have now infected the IRL. One of them is the subject of this thread that I posted. I thoroughly enjoyed the "500" when that team did not qualify and had to go home looking really poorly.

    So I do not share desire of some of you see the metamorphosis of CART succeed. The only way open wheel racing in the USA can succeed is if IRL and Champ Car combine around the biggest spectacle in racing, the Indianapolis 500.

    But that is a subject for another thread.
     
  23. racerx3317

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    Can i get an Amen??????!!!!!!!! To hell with the IRL
     
  24. tifosi12

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    In (my) a perfect world IRL and CART would reunite to become again the racing series CART was before the split.

    Currently IRL is NASCAR with open wheels and CART the American version of F1. Combined they would stand for great racing again.
     
  25. RP

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    Please do not take this as an insult, but it would be a real stretch to think of the Champ Car Series as anything remotely close to F1. That would be calling F1 mediocre, which it is not. Even Paul Tracy is leaving that series for NASCAR. Champ Car will never be remotely close to F1, in stature or in popularity.

    I see nothing wrong with NASCAR. It is the most successful series in North America. There is a rapidly growing audience in Europe, the home of F1. It is not F1, so the constant comparisons are really silly. Kind of like comparing Italian food to Cajun food. It does provide an ever increasing audience with extrodinarily competitive racing. Afterall, isn't that what motor sports are all about? Besides, every sport, and every form of motor sports can learn the meaning of the word marketing from NASCAR. I see Kimi Raikkonen and Jeff Gordan's face on Tag Heuer billboards, not anyone from Champ Car will grace our highways.

    The IRL also has an ever increasing audience, and also gives their audience close competitive racing. Champ Car does not. Champ Car got a temporary reprieve when the current ownership took over, but in the long run, it will likely not last, unless they are content with mediocrity. It does not have the reason Penske, Andretti, etc., left Champ Car: the Indianapolis 500. Whether you like it or not, the IRL holds all of the winning cards, its just a matter of time. Karma too.

    Personally, I do not care which series folds first, as long as at the end there is only one American open wheel racing program. Even then, when the dust settles, nothing will compare to F1.

    That is why it is called Formula ONE.
     

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