Peter Brock dead?

that sort of 'passive' tribute is good i think...but i agree that anything that actually affects the running of the race is not necessary and he probably wouldnt want it himself...

 

Andrew, I'm told that the Kevin Weeks black Gallardo was running very well before the fire, is that right?

 

did you all watch peter brock's interview on talking heads tonight on ch2? (i think it might have been done before last week) it was very insightful.

he still believes that the energy polariser works.

 

Where he is now it probably does.

 

another fire?I thought only Muiras caught fire.Watch Talking Heads on ABC tonight it was the Brock interview some months ago,well worth watching if you get the chance.

 

Kevin Weeks was going very well I understand. He was in the top three at least, if not leading, but the stage previous to the 'fire' stage he cleaned up a chicane which is a 5 min penalty. That's what he said in the bar in Saturday night anyway

 

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how can you have side bars and no roll cage down the A piller ? where do the side bars attach to ?
how can you enter with no roll cage down the A piller ? different rules for older cars ?
WHY would you enter without a full roll cage ?????

 

Kevein was leading before the chicane penalty. The fire was due to a holed oil cooler spraying oil on the exhaust. It was, fortunately, only a smallish fire compared to the Targa fire last year when the fuel tank caught fire and the damage isn't too bad.

 

i saw that Foxtel had a poll over the weekend asking if people thought tarmac rallies should be banned after Brockys accident. i haven't seen any results posted, but hopfully the vocal minority will just shut the f*** up for once.

 

Hi Scud

The car runs in the 'Classic' category under an historic logbook. The side bars run from about shoulder height down to the front of the sill at the door opening. I've got a left elbow that's been knocking against it all weekend...must put more padding on it!

 

andrew , thanks for the info . i heard this morning they weren't using pace notes ? surely not true ? can anyone confirm ?

 

From: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1417325.htm


ANDREW DENTON: I will move on to what was the low point in your career, which was the Energy Polarizer, which you brought out in the...



PETER BROCK: Yeah, that was an interesting thing, actually, because...



ANDREW DENTON: Can I just explain to those that don't know what it was, it was just a, it was a box...with magnets and crystals, which you said would turn even a dog of a car into a sweet-running one. And basically, the press turned on you as some kind of New-Age crank.



PETER BROCK: They did, but I must tell you that the only portion of crystal in that was a sliver of crystal, not unlike what you have in a wristwatch. So I wasn't exactly, you know, sleeping under pyramids and stuff like that.



ANDREW DENTON: Why did they turn on you?



PETER BROCK: I didn't have the ability to give them a suitable explanation as to why it worked.



ANDREW DENTON: And why not?



PETER BROCK: Too difficult, really. I mean, it was gonna cost me 750,000 dollars to get a scientific validation of it. And I didn't have it. I said, "Look, can you just trust the fact that it does work?" And most of the journalists said, "Yeah, this works good."

 

Even without pace notes, they would have had a road book which gives distances to each corner and caution details.

The corner was cautioned in the road book and apparently signposted on the road with caution signs.

Non-ARC/WRC forest rallies run just fine without pace notes, to give everyone a fair go.

 

You don't need padding, you need a hacksaw, 'cos that bar is not going to be any use to you anyway!

It seems to me a simple improvement to tarmac rally safety would be to apply the same protection rules as forest rally cars.
ie. Full double hoop cage, triangulated to rear firewall, double intrusion bars, harnesses attached to cage, not car body, etc.

Raising the safety standard is better than banning the sport.

 

probably why the polar ice caps are melting.

 

Absolutely, positively correct. The trouble is that it costs a lot of money and is very invasive on the car. That would put a lot of entrants off I feel and less entry dollars kills event viability. Then again, if you don't have a choise in the matter..........

If I get a chance I will dig out some pics of the cage that I put in my RX-7 rally car. I viewed it as being essential if I was going to continue with Targa. If memory serves me correctly, it was $4500 back in the mid 1990's and was done by Browne-Davis here in Melbourne.

 

scott,
if i always go in the throughbred touring section of the classic adelaide do u still think i need a full rollcage?

 

the classic adelaide has had its share of fatalities and given that if they implement roll cages it would remove 3/4 of the entire field.

i still believe that most crashes occur becuase ambitions and capabilities get very confused

 

all the competition cars have roll cages. thoroughbred is (theoretically) limited to 130km/h, but they reckon Brocky was only doing 90 - 95km/h. the classic tour has no safety features at all apart from fire extinguishers and warning triangles and we regularly do 80 - 90 mph.

 

That's why I didn't end up entering the CA this year because the category I was going to compete in required a full cage. I did 7 Targas with half a roll cage and wrote the car off in the second one. The half roll cage proved to be more than sufficient under the circumstances. Sure, a full cage gives more protection but it also tends to make you feel more bullet proof and more prone to drive above your capabilities. Obviously, I drove above my capabilities in the second year...was lucky to learn a good lesson and compete again.

The biggest problem I have with full roll cages is that they are so intrusive to fit and you always knock something around in fitting then taking off again. Much easier in a dedicated race car.

 

80 - 90 mph..............mmmmm i didnt realize OHOS could do that

yes thios i understand, if i ride my duke with only a singlet and boardies i ride like its a tricycle, but in full leathers with all the guff and i think i'm Mick Doohan, Ash thought the same when he got into his VW and thought it was a GT3

 

downhill with a tail wind!!!

that wasn't Ash's VW it was my 356.

 

In some respects it comes back to your own particular mindset. I recognised that at the time I couldn't stop myself going anything but 11/10ths. So a full and substantial cage was the ONLY way to go.
These days I seem to be more aware of the fact that I can't afford to get hurt (or worse) and am probably capable of bumbling around for the fun of it.
So I wouldn't cut up and destroy a classic car to fit the gear. If I took the F50 in the classic Adelaide, I would go in the sight seeing tour and probably be quite content without all the gear.

Judging by what I have seen of Roger on the video's, he is much like I used to be. So I would have the best safety gear that I could buy.
So I guess it depends upon your point of view Goober.

 

You were exceptionally lucky. During my Targa years I saw a a bannana'd 911 that hit a tree 6ft in the air. It had only a half cage and the driver was badly injured. I was about the 3rd car on the scene when a 512 BB launched over a hump in the road and went through a phone pole. Terrible mess indeed.

Sh*t happens on these events. You need to make an honest assessment of how you are prepared to drive. Can you REALLY avoid that red mist............