Pic of most advanced, declassified plane ever

NOBODY has 'stealth deceting' systems yet, nor will they! Our own gov't dosen't have 'em, for the same reason they don't have kryptonite.



PPS: as for the goose, that's why the *actual* radar cross sections are classified. Also, good luck picking up a goose that far out at all.


Art: the F117 was shot down during the brief time that it IS visible, when it's bomb bay doors were OPEN. They were opperationally STUPID and flew the same flight paths day after day, so the missile was already in the air in 'seek' mode.

This was an error of human stratigists, not of any of the equipment.

 

See above. When an F117 lands we send out guards so that no one literally HOPS IN AND STEALS IT. If they go black (transponder off, etc.) then WE can't find it either.


It may not last forever, but just think (or better, calculate) the power/sensativity needed to reliably pick up and track a 600KIAS bee at 50kilometers?

 

The show must have been about the JSF. It takes off vertically, the f-22 doesnt.
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There are actually three variants, or models, of the JSF planned for production.

Only one is VTO, designed to replace the Marine corp's aging Harrier.

I have my doubts that the JSF will ever be produced

 

p.s-the US has always had a history of underestimating foreign military....
let's not even go into vietnam or iraq or afghanistan,
but look what the americans said about the mig-15,mig-29,etc....[/QUOTE]
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What a crock of s**t.

The US military has a history of kicking azz, and that's why you aren't speaking German or Russian. Or are you?.

 

i'm as much pro-USA as anyone, but what is your definition of "kicking azz?" here in the US we do a great job of celebrating our victories and an even greater job of not learning from our mistakes.

 

I love speed.
I wonder what the F22's standing quarter mile is.

 

It might be flying by then. I doubt the F22 numbers are public, but I recall the F15 Eagle can take off (airspeed about 130 Kts or 150 MPH) in 275 meters (900 feet).

 

Quick. I belive it's thrust to weight ratio is greater than 2.1:1... That's a lotta hooghpah.

 

JSF ?



All the countries that purchased the F-16, will need to replace their airframes. The JSF is the affordable replacement for the F-16. The JSF will be the meal ticket, for the US advanced aerospace industry.

 

My brother works at the Lockheed plant in FT Worth, and I got to go see the stealth technology in action on a dummy plane thanks to a security clearance. Just to clear one thing up, there are 4 variations of the F/A-22 and one will be able to take off vertically (as well as the JSF)

 

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What a crock of s**t.

The US military has a history of kicking azz, and that's why you aren't speaking German or Russian. Or are you?.[/QUOTE]

geez you are amusing.let's just say the us military kick ass.but the whole point of the "americans underestimating foreign military" was meant to convey
that they thought the mig-15(during the korean war,which they managed to down by the bucketloads due to cruddy korean training;but nevertheless they
later were forced to rethink their aircraft design dur to the ***ot's capabilities
in the hands of better pilots) as well as the "low-tech mig-29" (ditto that).
why do u even think jets like the f-22/jsf exist?it's all to keep "each other" in
check!

 

And I do. I bid on gov't contracts that require a clearance, and fill positions with companies like Raytheon, Lockeed-Martin, & Northrup-Grumman.

 

I know exactly what you are talking about. There were parts of Cheyenne Mountain that I didn't have access to. I was in the military and did a lot of stuff that was on a "Need-to-Know" basis. I attempt to get a good relationship with the contractors that I send my people to. I wanna know what they expect and what type of job they want my guys to do. Visiting the "black" areas of the FTW L-M plant took a lot of time, and pulling on the right strings. The fact that my brother works in that area definitely helped.

 

One of my high school classmates writes books about military airplanes, and takes pictures of them. He has flown in just about every military airplane built, except the Raptor. His comments on the Mi29 & Su27 are that they are superior to the F16 & 15, but they lack the sophisticated electronics, which gives our planes an advantage. If the Russians or the Chinese ever get equal or better electronics, we'd better watch out.

In Korea, the Russians claim that they had a substantial kill rate on our planes when the Migs were flown by the Russians, and the same claim for Viet Nam. No way to verify those claims however, and when their planes were flown by either the Chinese or Koreans, our kill rate was pretty good, so who knows. In that era, it was the pilots that made the difference.

About 80- 81, as proven in the Becca Valley, electronics took over, and whoever saw the other guy first, lived. Our radars had about double the range of the Soviet block equipments, and the kill ratio was 82:1, our favor. The current Russian radar is about 100 miles, while our new stuff is at least 150 miles, which shows they are getting better.

Art

Art

 

Don't forget the Mig-25...That is one plane I would not go up against. But I think that's one of the reasons for the F/A-22

 

My father in law works there, but alas, I don't have any clearances at all. I'm not sure he does though - he manages part of the F-16 line. I did get a tour of that, and that was pretty cool. Over a mile long, and the planes are taken down the assembly line by a massive crane system.

 

Mig 25 was designed as a hi altitude interceptor. The mission was to intercept the B 70 Valkyrie bomber. We never produced the bomber. SAC switched their tactics to low level penetration. The Mig 25 had little to do, other than attempting to counter the SR 71.


Their was also a Mig 25R version. I understood that the engines were toasted after going one mission at Mach 2.7+.


The F 15 is a completly different type of airplane.

 

It had a cool "Type R" decal set though.

 

LOL

That was the SV version.

 

Now, you're not confusing that with the Tumansky V-TEC, are you?



That's V, for Vlad.

 

I've been waiting to see a F-22 demo at an airshow and no luck. It's one of my favorite jets of all time....