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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by amenasce, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. miurasv

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    0612 MDTR. 500TR/625LM. Not a TRC.
     
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    #16343 was also famous for being the first car raced by Ted Fields Interscope Team. They were mainly known for racing Porsches and Lola's among other things but their first race was with this Daytona at Daytona in 1975. The car did pretty well finishing 7th. They did much better than NART ever did with this particular car :)
     
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  3. Marcel Massini

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    16343 again (see post #395). And a little later in Greenwich back at Chinetti's (2 March 1973), spare wheel mounted on right rear.

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    Yes it is. Hayes in 2237 GT, Grossman in 2731 GT and in behind Thiem in 3005 GT

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  5. amerikalei

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    Could #6 in this photo be the '61 SWB 3327? The silver livery with the NART sticker on the flank seems like the way the car originally appeared at Sebring. Wonder if it would have been campaigned by NART still here, or would have been owned by Baxter. I recall a story told to me by a couple folks that the NART sticker was later removed and when someone asked why the mechanic, a close friend of my dad said if it didn't make the car faster there was no reason for it. He could be a bit short but was a brilliantly resourceful farm raised Ohioan who bought a translating dictionary so he could better understand the manual. If that is the car, I wonder who was driving in this race?
     
  6. Jack-the-lad

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    Copyright The Klemantaski Collection, I believe.
     
  7. pilotoCS

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    I wouldn't doubt it. They have many great photos. And if I see the photographer mentioned, I will include it in the post.

    www.klemcoll.com is where it might possibly be found. But I'm just cruising Bing and Google and various Facebook posts by friends there.

    I'm pretty sure this one is a Louis Klemantaski but it wasn't noted where I found it.

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  8. pilotoCS

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    Targa Florio, 1966. Notice the Cavallinos painted on the street.

    Ferrari 330 P3 Spyder
    No. 230 (Vaccarella - Bandini),
    Ferrari SEFAC;

    Alpine A110 1300 prototype
    No. 78 (?, from memory) (Vinatier - Orsini),
    Regie Renault;

    Photo: Daizo Kurokawa

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  9. 375+

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    Definitely Klemanstaski, a great photo.
     
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  10. Marcel Massini

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    Cavallino = singular.
    Cavallini = plural.
    Not Cavallinos.
    Just FYI.

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  13. TTR

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    I just love these kinds of period photos revealing how different the appearance of these old racers were back in their active duty days, compared to what they've become since through subsequent restorations. Here one can clearly see how rough (unappealing ?) the hand pounded (but authentic) coach work was and how flat (unflattering ?) the paint was, etc.

    Of course someone can argue that since above photo was taken at (and during ?) the race, the car MAY have not looked quite as “rough” the day it was loaded on to a transporter, heading out for its first official outing, but are there any good enough period photos proving it or most of the other racing cars at that period looked anywhere near as shiny & smooth ("perfected" ?) they do today ?
    If not, it sure can make one wonder on what exactly do judges at world renown concourses base their collective “as they left the factory” assessments, rulings and scoring to and how severely do they deduct, if anything, for (somewhat obvious ?) over-restorations ?

    Or were the photographers, their equipment & film of such (poor) quality that it just made the cars look this rough ?
     
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    Of course you're correct. These cars were made to be entered in long, grueling races. They were not made for the Pebble Beach concours.
     
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    Yes, I’ve been aware of this for decades, but always found it a bit curious (and disheartening) when presumably historically significant cars (or other antique/vintage items) get “restored” to a point where their appearance is noticeably different to what they originally were.

    While I understand & support the idea of it being the owners choice to do whatever they wish with their property, even if it was to completely destroy it, I never quite understood why so many “historically significant”(?) cars, racing or not (and other grand items) receive high accolades, awards and regards for their quite apparent misrepresentation of (historical) authenticity.

    Perhaps if I owned one (or more) I could see it differently, but I doubt that.

    P.S. While not something I personally care or know much about, but one of the coolest (historically significant ?) racing car custodial efforts I’ve seen is B.M’s Le Mans winning(?) ‘90s Corvette that allegedly has not even been washed since that race.
     
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    Ferrari 612 Can-Am. Judging by the look of the paddock, I would say this is Road America (so probably the Historic Races) sometime in the '90's.

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  21. GIOTTO

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    That's one of the Lola ready for the crash scene.
     
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    Did they use actual 512 panels grafted onto the Lola or was the body entirely created for the film?
     
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    Original 512 S panels... Unfortunately.
     
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    Do You may know the ch# of the California next to it?
     
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