Pista = 488 GTB + 20% ?

I owned an Italia for 3 years and have owned a Speciale for 4 years. I'd say 20% differential overall. The Italia sounded better but the Speciale is a little better in pretty much every other respect.

 

I owned an Italia for 3 years and still own a Speciale. When driving on open roads, I would say the difference is for me only a 10%. Of course more difference on tracks where you can push it harder. And I agree that the Italia sounds better, but the Speciale looks nicer and it doesn't depreciate as fast.
I have a confirmed order for the Pista and I will keep the Speciale.

 

Agree italia sounds better than Speciale.

 

The 488 GTB was introduced at a base price of +5% compared to the 458 Italia, and it has 100 hp more and 10kg less (the Speciale was about +20% price compared to the Italia, with 35 hp more and - allegedly - 90 kg less, without relying on so much carbon).
The 488 Pista is introduced at a base price of +50% compared to the 488 GTB, with 50 hp more and 90 kg less (actually to get the 90 kg less one needs the optional carbon wheels, so that the price gap is even more than 50%).
If the Pista is 20% better than the GTB, it confirms my feeling that at (minimum) +50% price it's slightly overpriced...
Even though I'm aware of the law of diminished return.

 

The law of diminishing returns applies to pretty much everything including car performance like you say. Look at how much F1 teams spend just to possibly go a fraction of a second faster assuming the driver does put the car into a wall.

I think the 488 Pista price may be more justified % wise over the 488 because I read 50% of the car's parts are different. There may be less difference in the Speciale and 458.

Edit: The 50% figure may be in reference to the engine alone. Articles are saying different things from what I found.

 

Numbers possibly a bit different for the uk - current GTB base price is £197k and Pista is apparently quoted at £252k so cost differential is 28% over GTB by my calculation....some way below your 50% ??


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I think your estimations on Pista pricing vs 488 are a little high, unless you're looking at base base option 488 and fully optioned Pista, and even then..

However, this is the age long argument, there ARE diminishing returns at the level of performance cars are at these days. Sports cars are overshadowing supercars of 10 years ago, supercars overshadowing hypercars of 10 years ago, and now we have megacars. Gotta love progress. At this level, you measure by smiles by the gallon, not incremental cost increases, if that wasn't the case, nobody would ever buy a Bugatti. Just my $.02

 

its a lot high. 10-15% is it.

Speciales are still selling at dealers over list. That car is now going on 5 model years.

 

I admit I have revisit my estimate - actual base price increase in France is 40%.
The Pista was initially announced at €292K, which would have been close (at 29%) to the reported UK increase of 28%.
However the PPAC "option" is actually mandatory, making the real price in France €317K - more than 40% higher than the GTB €226K current base price.
On the GTB one can have a decent configuration by adding about €20K options (even less actually), while on the Pista the PPAC includes (presumably on purpose) some apparent carbon that forces to add other carbon options (all black painted could be OK, but with some apparent carbon one needs to go for full apparent carbon - significantly increasing the price).
Trading my 3 years old 488 GTB, I would have had to spend €150K to get a Pista in an acceptable configuration. My conclusion was that it's not worth it, considering how I could spend the €150K for other things (including improving my driving skills, which I'm sure will make me faster on the track with my 488 GTB than with a Pista and without additional training).
Regarding the Speciale, they definitely are under list in Europe now, even though some advertised prices are higher - and the highest prices are for latest models, which are 3 years old rather than 5 years old.