Once 488's v6 hybrid replacement is realized, I foresee Pista surpassing Speciale (in terms of price stability/appreciation) being the last and highest performing non hybrid mid mount 8.
Depends on who you are talking to. Sound is also not the only sensation, and is subjective anyway. Most would put Pista significantly ahead of 458 S in the desirability stakes and I can't see that changing any time soon.
I wish it'd be the case - in France the "base" Pista is priced slightly more than a 812, a lot more than a 488 spider. Having such a high price to start with may not be very good regarding future depreciation. The Speciale is now selling above MSRP partly because its MSRP was actually very reasonable compared with the regular 458, the Pista asks for a huge price increase from the start.
Too early to say - but agree 458 pricing was more palatable and has allowed an easier environment for an upward price shift based upon being the last of the last. 488 and Pista will ride a similar wave when they too become last of the last -it's just a matter of time - just that the manufacturers have since seen what has gone on and are now taking their share of the potential profiteering.
Todays 488 Pista's price will be considered good value when the 488 replacement is announced and the price point it will bring with it. It's the natural order of things........
I'll never understand this obsession with NA engines. If an engine reaches its potential being NA, great. If turbos allow it to reach greater performance levels, even better. Why do people get so hung-on on it? Who cares. Evolution, efficiency, performance, power - these are the things that matter. I love my 328, but I don't wish the engine was in my 488. The 458 engine is awesome. The 488 engine takes performance to another level, as will its successor. And so goes the world.
I think the discussion on future value vs other models is fun but we won't really know the answer for a long time. So in the mean time, do you want a Pista? I do
No one is going to argue with that logic but many people, including myself, prefer the sound of an NA engine, regardless if it's a little behind in the performance category..... I used to be an avid F1 fan.....there was nothing quite like cranking it up at the start of the race....there is no better sound IMO.....since they went turbo, albeit faster and better cars, haven't watched a race....
I can easily understand the obsession with n/a - they are much more instantly responsive and that makes them much more enjoyable to adjust on the throttle at the limit, and that's important to me. But, that's not to say that turbo cars can't be just as compelling, albeit in other ways. The F40's appeal is partly because it doesn't have that finessed adjustability - it is a wild horse that takes a brilliant driver to tame, but for those who can the power is enormous (at least it was in 1988). The 488's party trick is to deliver turbo torque and thrust with most of the adjustability of a good n/a car. Who's to say they won't turn that up a big notch in the Pista? And if they do, with it's groundbreaking aero, beautiful aesthetic and storming performance, why shouldn't it carve its own special place in Ferrari history? In 20 years, would I rather have one than a Speciale? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm pretty sure I would rather have one in the garage than, say, a Scud which I don't particularly like the look of.
I would certainly agree with you on the F1 cars. They sound horrible. As for the 488, I think it sounds great. I actually enjoy it throaty growl.
I had an NA car from the late 90s and the engine response is slower than that of the newer turbo cars. I have learned its not just about one particular technology or method of doing thing vs another, its about how well its executed. I think thats the objective part of this. The subjective is we all have different emotional reactions to different styles and sounds, and that's what makes this so interesting as there is something for everyone.
To me a V8 sound is ordinary compared to a V12 one - so when I downgraded from V12 to V8 I was more motivated by the turbocharging performance advantage
Well, I think most of us can agree on one thing - regardless of the Pista's power source, the damn thing looks amazing. I'm hoping I'll be able to order one of my own. I hope the same for all of you, if that's what you desire.
The 488 GTB was released at a lower price than the Speciale, in spite of the ^rice gap between the regular 458 and Speciale being far smaller than the gap between 488 GTB and Pista. The next generation cars have typically been less expensive than the final SE (F430 less expensive than CS, 458 less expensive than Scud) - As I think about it, I may eventually reconsider the willingness to get a Pista The price difference between the GTB and Pista is in the same ballpark as the difference there was (in terms of base list prices, IIRC) between the regular F12 and the tdf, and it does not seem to be fair given how the tdf (which was a true LE in addition) was extensively reworked compared to the F12 (whereas the Pista upgrades are actually rather limited).
I think the Pista is very close to the level of reworking they did from F12b->F12tdf. The only thing that separates the cars IMHO is the more extreme rake on the rear window of the TDF but the Pista has that insane s-duct. Mechanically and systems wise, I think they are almost on par. That's one of the things that distinguishes this generation of LE/special cars over the prior editions: even greater variance from the base car. But this will continue and in the future, LE/Special models might feature even more extreme deviation from the base cars. Such is the way of things.
488 Pista is a 400 k car. F40 was produced in 1300+ units, an enormous amount 30 years ago. Great cars are great cars, who cares of what kind of engine there is inside: The Pista is much better looking than the GTB and faster, everybody likes the Pista: you don't need to be a genius to predict a big future value for the Pista and not for the GTB. F40 cost was two times the Testarossa one, 30 years ago: Now it's ten times, despite V8 turbocharged and not 12 NA
I think what he means is that life and the world of motoring pleasure doesn't just stop at a naturally aspirated engine. There are many things which constitute a car being "great" to drive and own. No one is suggesting the 458 and its naturally aspirated engine isn't great but there appears to be plenty on fchat willing to suggest the 488 isn't equally (if not more) great in its own right. The same goes for Pista where many have found life doesn't start and finish at the 458 speciale'
