3500 cars is more than 1/3. Here is some real data: http://corporate.ferrari.com/en/2017-another-record-year-0
With this said they may create additional allocations on the down low if the demand is there. Why not?
So 3500 regular pastas and 1000 apertas/lightweights wld make sense. Sent from my BBB100-3 using Tapatalk
I picked up my lusso and specking the pista this week. I’m sure the lusso losses will be offset by pista gains (+/-$25k). So I’ll drive two cars for minimal losses or a straight wash. Sure, I can wait to hopefully get a pista allocation down the line without the lusso but by then the pista will be ‘old’ news and there will be 5 of them at the monthly car show. Time is of the essence for me. Also, dealer offered me an 812 within 12 months. Allocations on that car seem tight. I’m teeing up the 812 to replace the pista.
You sound surprised ! For many buyers its just a game of top trumps - driving is irrelevant since 'Time is of the essence for me'
Looks like flipping the Lusso first, then the Pista in an attempt to break even then the 812 for one can possibly assume the VS or Aperta? Everyone does it differently and "keeper" is not necessarily in everyone's vocabulary. Go through a lot of cars very quickly and then pause a little on the LEs. Rinse and repeat. Some dealers discourage this on certain models but many love the constant sales and supply of low mileage used inventory for greater markup and a chance to double or even triple down on the same car in the first 1-1.5 years. And then there are those hopeful owners to be that just love the car and are turned away at a chance on the first one...
Not sure how he knows that. I doubt very much Ferrari told him and the test drivers won’t know. More likely a guess based on what he knows about production length. And even then, does that include Aperta? My dealer has less allocation than Speciale currently and has been quite open about the ‘restricted volumes’ message coming from the factory. They never said that about Speciale. Georg Kacher also said all cars were sold (this he will have been told but is this accurate either?) so existing dealer allocations would be final if this were true. If other dealers report the same as mine then final production will be less than Speciale.
Same here, dealer said that they received less allocation for the 488 Pista compare to the 458 Speciale.
However Ferrari has been targeting some markets for expansion for a while, so less allocations in established markets do not necessarily mean a lower global production. Technically I do not believe all cars are sold, but what is likely is that the total expected production has been spread between all dealers and all dealers have reported they have more demands than allocations. I do not think all sales are finalised though, so some people on 'waiting lists' could get cars.
Kacher has is a veteran journalist who has been close to Ferrari for over 30 years, and has had many a scoop (from getting the first F40 drive on Fiorano with the Porsche 959 back in 1988 to the SUV scoop last year). Unlikely to be just guessing without some proper basis. He also confirms the spider for 2019 - again not likely to be guesswork journalism. How many Pistas your dealer gets relative to the Speciale may not be a good guide to overall production. The factory allocation criteria have changed (for example, if your dealer had had a lot of flippers on 488/speciale etc, Ferrari might allocate fewer Pistas). Then there are newer markets taking more volume etc. So unless you have better information, not clear why Kacher's number is questionable. As for the "all cars sold", that's the standard marketing statement from Ferrari where demand far exceeds expected supply. We all heard the same with 812 and the 70th anniversary cars.
"More demands than allocations" said every dealer in the world. Turn around and try to sell the same car back to them, they give you the complete opposite statement. Too many car buying noobs on this forum believing entry level marketing hype. Get yourselves together people! Total production will be more than the stated 3500, as mentioned to you all many times in this thread, Pista production will go on until the end of the 488 cycle. That article is old, even though it was "published" yesterday, the Pista was driven and the factory visit was months ago, as you can see from the camo on the car photos. Ferrari consistently builds more cars than stated, it's true on their "limited edition" cars, and even more so on their none LE cars like the Speciale and Pista. In Italian, "around 3500" means 3700-4200 units.
I think people are going to try and dump them as soon as they get their Pista allocation... More supply than demand.
A delivery mile Lusso that is "used" is worth $50K less than sticker. It doesn't matter if you drive it or not. You could buy it and sell it the same day and you'd end up with a massive loss.
Probably about right unfortunately. Kind of jacked up for such a cool car. Other than an FF not much else appeals to me as a DD.
Best dollars per mile I have had in a long time. As a matter of fact I am actually in a bit of a dilemma at my office as I probably need to go back to being driven around as I can't keep up with my schedule driving, parking, etc. I have loved the Lusso for pretty much everything and it's so good at everything! Today I was in the back of an SUV to work and back. Outside of the productivity of 1+ of driving I imagined the V12 singing in my ears.
This, and on top the Ferrari dealer will make you sign an agreement saying they have right of first refusal. Sell the Pista to another dealer, and that will rub them the wrong way. Either way a loss for customer cause of Lusso.
academic for me since I passed on the gtc4lusso to get pista but they did float the "lease gtc4lusso" for one year and then walk away from it. Discussion didn't get far but not sure what the residual would have to be after one year (ie., what would the lease payments be for that one year).
those poor saps that bought the 70th Anniversery cars really don;t know what they are in for resale wise - massive hits...
Kacher has been close to many manufacturers and can get pretty much where he wants. Ferrari tells no-one about production though. It is a closely guarded secret and very difficult to find out. The only reason we have an idea about past models is that manufacturers have to release certain details within the industry and some information is available in some countries about taxed cars etc. People with more time than me can piece the jigsaw together and get to a number that is 90% accurate. Not a chance Ferrari tells a journalist, any journalist, the production volume of a non-LE forthcoming car, especially one so eagerly anticipated as the Pista. You know how journalists work; they grab a conversation - “how many will be built?” “Can’t say” “I heard less than Speciale, which was 4,000, so 3,500?” “Yes, could be something like that”. Whatever the truth, I do not believe he has been told the correct information directly, especially when other respected journalists have not. As for my dealer, they are well thought of, the other customers I know are not flippers and the dealership won global aftersales dealer recently. I guess they are in good standing. They also never told me the same about the Speciale. It was my first new purchase and they said from the beginning that I would be ok for one. They also never said the same about the 812 to me, yet they laboured the point repeatedly about the Pista, and I heard exactly the same from my friends who buy Ferraris from other dealers in the UK. Nothing to do with being a “noob buyer” as another poster said. Stupid and lazy post. The best and most interesting bit, is the idea of reserving allocation for other markets. That could be exactly right, and should perhaps give hope to those without an allocation. Just to temper that though, I do know that in late 2018 comes a big change to the EU emissions test and cars launched before that test will still have to comply, albeit with a derogation (which means a percentage of your production can be registered for a short, set period afterwards). It is causing carnage in the industry behind the scenes, the like of which has probably never been seen before. Exactly how it will be implemented is also, frustratingly, quite unclear. So it could very well be the case that Ferrari just don’t know how long they will be able to produce fhe Pista for unless they have already assumed the very worst case scenario and planned for that.
You call out other posters on here, yet provide a post almost entirely on personal opinion and pure speculation. Well done. FYI my professional background is working with one of the largest dealership groups in the USA, this is why I call out dealer games, because they're tactics used across the industry.
