Pista brake concerns

That's not right.

The Ferrari ceramics feel almost the opposite of Porsche's CCB. The former is an on/off feel, whereas the PCCBs have more of a progressive brake pedal feel (the best at it is Mclaren IMO).

Go get them checked out. My Pista does not ever feel "spongy" when stopping on the brakes.

A bleed is a good start. Pretty sure it's not a warrant item, but not sure.

 

As a side note, AFAIK the 7 year maintenance only covers the planned maintenance (annual or triggered by mileage). All other operations are not covered (but it may be required that they be performed by an official dealer...)

 

FWIW this was my experience with Porsche GT3/3RS PCCB versus the ceramics on my Speciales

Speciales braking is not confidence inspiring, I would use the same terms spongy and that was the least confident part of the car for me personally when pushing.. I had to press the brake pedal down a lot harder and firmer than I would in my 911s to get the bite and response I was looking for, and a lot more uncertain to precisely modulate stopping the car how I want

On the other hand the PCCB on the 911s was instant bite, telepathic modulation to control the stopping power of the car, and far far more confidence inspiring

 

Has the recall been done ? What colour is the cap on your reservoir ?

 

I've had many Porsche's... Carrera's, Turbo and GT3's. Iron or PCCB Porsche brake tuning of Brembo brakes are #1 in the industry bar none.

However your Pista bakes SHOULD NOT feel spongy or take a lot of pressure to get them to bite. When buying my 488 and then my F8 I looked a many cars and noticed some brakes that took a lot more pressure to apply for typical street braking.

What I truly believe is detailers or owners are spraying tire shine onto the tires and the overspray get's on the carbon ceramic rotor and that tire shine silicone product will absolutely imbed itself into the rotor and the brake feel/stopping power will never feel the same again.

I use to do a lot of track events in my Porsches and we started seeing this happen with students cars at the track with PCCB's.

As far as the spongy pedal....you have air in your brake lines. Do a full thorough brake FLUSH....not a bleed but complete flush with new fluid with the tool to bleed out the ABS pumps and the brakes will feel solid again...but if the rotors and pads have tire shine on them then you will need to address that next as the stopping power will be reduced.

 

Soft mushy pedal almost always means there is air in the brake fluid. Do the fluid flush anyway...it is not expensive. Brake fluid on high performance cars really should be changed every year with street driving. Some go 2 years. If the car was tracked or driven hard on canyon roads and such then you should at least do a brake bleed after and before the driving event.

 

Yea, I came from the Porsche PCCB world as well. With Porsche ceramics you can tell they are cold when they are cold. It would take more force to make the car stop for sure. That being said, I was shocked at how much the Ferrari ceramics would bite - they feel more like iron rotors and steel pads.

I would just get the brake system flushed/bled again and see how that goes before getting too concerned.

 

@PS-GT4 yes that is all so very true. Same experience. To go further down the rabbit hole and what I've learned from experience....The pads that Porsche uses with the carbon ceramic rotors is more if a street/track pad. They do not wear as fast on the track as the pads Ferrari uses and that's why you experience needing a little more pedal pressure to get a higher brake bite. Also the carbon ceramic rotor is a different layup schedule between the Porsche and Ferrari rotors so that plays a part too.

There use to be this pictured chart on the Brembo sight going over all this but it is no longer there but it explained the rotor layup schedule differences and which brands used which rotors. But this is what it basically said:

CCB is a disc made up by a core of ceramic material, reinforced with carbon fiber and covered by an additional ceramic friction layer on both breaking surfaces.
CCB is used by Volkswagen, Porsche, Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini, Bugatti, AMG.


CCM disc is made up by a core of ceramic material, reinforced with carbon fiber. Comparing CCB, CCM are not covered by an additional ceramic friction layer.
CCM is used byFerrari, Aston Martin, Corvette, Chevrolet, Lexus, Nissan, Pagani, Maserati, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo, McLaren

F1 and IndyCar rotors are not CCB OR CCM. They are carbon on carbon. This would not work on a street car because those disc’s require very high heat in order to work.