Pista/Speciale Market

Speciale.

 

How about for a start:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pista-or-speciale.570961/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pista-vs-speciale-vs-scud-vs-cs.602461/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/trade-a-speciale-in-for-pista.620118/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/pista-vs-speciale-do-u-see-the-difference.599245/

 

It's near impossible to compare the UK supercar market to the US. The UK supercar market is a sh!tshow because of COVID and Brexit, everything has plunged.

You need to figure out where the UK economy will be in the next year or so and figure out what car would be the most desirable once the economy starts to recover to predict future values.

 

I would recommend buying what car you like more. Buying a car based upon strangers speculation on future value may not be the best idea. You can easily see what the speciale market has done as you have plenty of years and data points. It would be speculative to tell you what the Pista market will do. I think most everyone will agree the Speciale was much more limited in production numbers than the Pista and should retain its value better. Just my .02

 

You are far more likely to lose less money in both absolute dollar wise and percentage wise owning and driving a Speciale. That's just a bonus for me since I enjoy the Speciale more as a car than I do the Pista. But if I liked the Pista more, then I wouldn't let such a thing prevent me from getting the car that I want, assuming it is affordable.

Simple rule: getting great deals are great only if you actually want the item you got a deal on. Otherwise it's still a waste. If you want a Pista, why would you consider a Speciale?

 

I entirely and wholeheartedly could not agree any more. "Could you be more right"?

We have to stop buying vehicles on prospective values as if they were some sort of investment. Nobody can predict the future value of a vehicle, unless they are a very limited edition and those cars, you rarely see.

I suggest you buy what checks your boxes. In the end, who cares what it may be worth. All that matters is that you enjoy it.

Who knew that 458, a regular production vehicle, would be matching 488 prices 10 years later? I am spending 400k on an F8, built by me, for me. Could I have spent 30-50k more and get a Pista, which considered to be a much more special vehicle than the F8? Absolutely! Why didn't I? Because I didn't like the Pista for what I want it. It did not check all the boxes for me. Will I lose money on my car? Absolutely! I will likely lose the paint premium and dual tone premium as soon as I drive the car out of the lot. Am I worried? No. Do I expect it to come up in value? No, All I care is that I can enjoy it and that nobody runs into me.

I hope this helps.

 

Pls expand on this point. 458 matches 488 pricing how, based on what?

 

From all the information out there, the Pista will probably be the last V8 special series as we know it. I actually had spec’ed a F8 but when an opportunity knocked with a Pista I had to go for it. I had options & considered a Speciale when I sold my Scud. In my opinion if you have a less than dense field of 36 Pistas to chose from,and prices are stagnant you will not be disappointed by opting for one. We are in for crazy times and it is hard to predict values until late next year.

 

Based on current market values. I am starting to see 458 selling for 200-230k and I have started to see the middle child (488) trending down. Yes, you will see 458 in the sub 200k. But the relatively low mileage, well kept vehicles are approaching the 488 market values. I am comparing oranges to oranges as well. Well kept 458s to 488s.

 

Value hold....Speciale.

 

I was in this exact same boat ealier this year, having had a Scud, Speciale, then 488 spider. I sold my 488 spider last summer, and was looking at Pista or Speciale in the first half of this year. I put my money in a 4000 mile Speciale, and will keep it long term. I believe Speciale's will be over Pista prices over time. The 10 or so on the UK market have been there some time, so go and haggle, then enjoy.

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My view Speciale will hold firmer than Pista. Speciale has had more time to find its long term value in the market as the last NA V8 special. Pista arrived in much larger numbers and too close to F8, and possibly an F8 special as well. Also, the rate of production was so high (due to high production within a relatively short time frame) the market is still struggling to digest the overspill from the speculators/short term holders. If your heart is really set on Pista, then may be worth waiting a little longer into 2021. Also, the Pista is less likely to matter in the Ferrari lineage as the last V8 non-hybrid special compared to the more loved NA V8 speciale. People dislike turbos more than addition of electric motors.

I own a Pista spider and have driven a speciale a few times. While the Pista is the faster better car, the Speciale is the really special one.

 

Gratuitous Speciale picture.

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Guaranteed value retention- Speciale.

but honesty it’s like 100+ horsepower difference between the two. That makes a big difference in the drive.

buy the one you want to drive- not the one that is going to be a better investment.

 

I own Speciale and Pista: They are brillant
Nonetheless Speciale is the right choice
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Thanks !
the chassis, the steering, the steering wheel, the brakes, seats, wing mirrors, tires, gearbox and many other parts are identical between Speciale and Pista
Pista has more aerodynamic downforce a wider rear axle and of course a more powerful engine
I keep the Pista for its incredible performance
I thought about selling it because the engine sound is very disappointing but a full Inconel exhaust solved the problem
Speciale and Pista will become collectors because the future and the new standards will kill sport-cars
but the Speciale will be even more sought after than the Pista
Speciale is one of the best Ferrari ever produced
I very recently tried an SF 90 it is a good car even if the electric steering is too much assisted and if it is too heavy more than 1700 kg!
but I came out of the SF 90 without having felt a shame for a 1000 hp car

 

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100% speciale

If I had the gas in the tank I'd have one but the normal 458 is ok for me. I think it's still better than even an F8.