Pista-STO- 765LT- AMG Black series

I was surprised to see how vibrant it was despite being overcast. It was glowing.

 

The real 'Fire Red'.

 

Big congrats! Looks awesome in orange!

I think you also have the STO if I’m not mistaken? Would be interested to get your impressions of overall driver’s experience, though I’m certain the 765 is a monster all around. I haven’t seen any vids of the 765 on the track, a fair number of STO vids starting to appear.

I realize it’s probably snowing by you so it may be awhile, we don’t need an Arctic shootout……

 

Thank you.

By spring I’ll be ready to do a full comparison with all the cars in this thread title (+GT2 RS). Might even do a Top Gear car of the year style photo shoot with the local photographer.

 

Agreed. Mind you, the LT wouldn’t stand a chance from a dig on a road surface but the acceleration was even once both cars hooked up.

 

Yes in a straight line but it has no chance on a track. The funny thing is that this was always thought to be the opposite with Ferrari and McLaren, certainly not true anymore.

 

I also think the LT looks waa aay better.

 

I took the 765 out for two invigorating 90 minute runs this week, after the car had been sitting idle in excess of a month due to the onset of inclement weather. I will not claim that I forgot how stellar and uniquely scintillating this car is, since after driving the 765 even once, will have the affect of searing into one's brain and soul, a memory that cannot be diminished by the passage of time. Words cannot begin to do justice in conveying its ferocity, the blinding speed, the summit of objective capabilities and the intimacy of the connection between the car and driver. The 765 has no peer in its class and will undoubtedly represent the pinnacle of the soon to end era of super/hyper ICE cars. Mclaren has wrought a singular achievement in the development of the 765. Anyone considering to part with this marvel of automotive supremacy would be guilty of committing an act of imprudent, impetuous, foolhardy recklessness.

 

The fact that a RWD car with deficit of 200HP, selling for a couple of hundred thousand $ less, is essentially as fast in a straight line up to 1/4 mile, is mind bending. Not even addressing the driving dynamics of the 2 cars, which would be doubtful if the SF90 is as compelling, spine tingling and offers the connection and feedback between car and driver. Only reinforces how extraordinary the 765 is. Bearing in mind that aesthetics are highly subjective, my eyes view the 765 as infinitely more appealing than the SF90.

 

To be fair we have to say the 765LT was equipped with TOYO tyres..

 

Toyo's vs AWD - helps even even out the traction issues.

 

That's when you got nothin'.

 

Comparison of SF90 lap times to Senna (both ‘mild’ hyper cars with opposing philosophies - lightweight non hybrid with huge aero v heavyweight high power hybrid and medium aero) makes for interesting reading. Also shows that SF90 is no drag race one-trick pony and is a very capable track car. Looking at both dry track comparisons available and it bests the Senna. The wet handling track advantage for Senna is interesting. Either it’s the lightweight or huge aero or perhaps a combination of both but that clearly overwhelms the SF90’s awd.

Unless the 765 is much quicker on track than Senna I would say the SF90 would do well against it.

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Not sure where this came from but an SF90 might last a lap or 2 before things get real ugly for it. It's better off for a cross country cruise vs track time.

 

Somewhat small sample size. It will be interesting when the comparison group is 15-20+ circuits.

 

And more than a single lap. Brakes will be toast as will the batteries.

 

I’ll take the lighter weight of the 765LT all day long…better cornering, braking and I would bet more fun to drive.

 

People who don’t track don’t understand how critical the confidence in braking is and how high speed and heavy car is terrifying as the brakes begin to fade. I can imagine coming into the braking zone in both SF90 and 765 at similar speeds (170+)and the light weight car being consistently confidence inspiring while the heavy car would be scaaryyy.

 

Still trying to figure out the purpose of the SF90, outside of the concept of collecting Ferraris. The SF90 will not be a collectible.

 

It is really very difficult to run the battery out even on track in Q mode. The brakes point is a fair one though. Lightweight is always better for braking.

To answer someone else’s question, the point of the SF90 is to build a super-fast car that utilises hybrid tech, as per F1 which Ferrari has been using since 2014, to make a car that’s great to drive and ballistically fast on road and track. It goes very well on track (I followed a non-AF around Silverstone with our 2RS for a session and they are similar pace, close enough for the driver to make the difference) and it goes very well on the road - it’s the first car I have been able to walk away from Pista/600 LT etc. on a roadtrip with. All the others are close enough that similarly fast drivers can stay with each other more or less. The SF90 just leaves them, really quite easily. As I’ve said many times before, each to their own and if somebody prefers a 765, perfectly fine with me. It’s just not fine for the tone to be “765 good, SF90 bad” because ours really isn’t. It goes well on the road, well on the track and I have direct experience of both. The figures posted above only serve to show what I already know; road or track this car is fast. And I know it’s good to drive too.

Maybe the world doesn’t need a hybrid hyper car, but in truth it doesn’t need any hyper car. They all find their justification in offering a unique experience because it is possible. Same applies to a hybrid hypercar with 1,000hp and brilliant dynamics. If owners enjoy it, why ever not?