Pista-STO- 765LT- AMG Black series

There really isn't. The 765 on street tires is faster around some tracks than my 488 Evo. Don't get too caught up in these magazine and internet times, lots of reasons why one might do better than the other. I'm telling you from personal experience.

 

For your entertainment.

 

If you really push the fronts don't last long either. They will fade after a 2 to 3 hard laps and be toast soon after.

 

This track is no joke, the best I did was 1.46 2 weeks ago but it was very hot so it was slippery. I'm not super fast but decent. A 1.40 in a street car with street tires is insane. People read the internet times and use that to judge what's faster but there are many factors. Under similar circumstances the 765 is gonna beat most regardless of price range.

 

An insane video! Great driver man handling a wildebeest!

 

Driver error.

 

So it looks they had to push the LT to its limits trying to do best what they can ... and still didn't beat the Pizza :d (Pista )

In the end they put the best time the LT achieved.

 

In this video, the time was hampered by the track and tire conditions as well as the extra mass ( 180 lbs or more) due to a passenger.

 

This thread has me seriously considering a 765LT.

 

Thanks for your opinion. You are lucky to own both, a Pista and a 765LT. If you're going to sell the Pista, someone will be very happy about it.

McLarens are faast, no doubt. The 720S (announced by McLaren as 720CV car) in reality has about 760 CV, and the 765LT has ... around 880CV (same dyno - results via DragTimes - aka Brooks broke the P1 down )
So there is nothing magical in mclaren's "bang for a buck" performance. It's booost . And it's a bit of sandbagging, same as Porsche does with their underestimated power values. Some even call it cheating if it comes to make valid comparisons between different cars from the same segment.

 

It's just "EVO magazine" - some may care about their hot lap times, some not. It's free to decide.

I am not trying to make things more complicated than they are - some facts, just for fun:

When we put 720S vs Pista, we assume (following factory claims) that we test cars evenly matched according to engine power. But Pista has been measured at about 720CV for real, and 720S put ~760CV though. So Ferrari has quite adequate amount of boost to get 720CV figure, and mclaren just cheats a bit trying to convince people as if their "720CV car" was punching over its weight.

Yea, weight ...
More than that, Mac curb weight (on paper) is 50kg less than Pista, so in reality it can be quite a lot more. (Ferrari weight claims are in fact hurting them in real life comparisons)

When the comparison of Pista vs 720S looks like that, then vs 765 it's taken to another level. The 765LT is another 60kg lighter (vs 720S) and has got 120CV more than 720S.
It is a rocketship

 

Quickest compared with a SF90 on track ?

 

car forums have a mix of people … owners of the cars but most are on the sidelines . Many of the sidelined people are formula 1 fans and they bring the analysis /fandom of formula 1 into these discussions. (Ie ; cheating , not apples to apples comparison , hard tire va soft tire , etc ). Arguments/conclusions are based on their preferred team .

owners wind up discussing things with people who have different objectives …

 

Very much agree! My 720 spider was just as fast or faster than my Stage 1 tuned Pista. My 765 spider feels way faster than the Pista. I will say though the Pista is still my favorite car I own overall.

 

The concept of the term "cheater" has been distorted. Mclaren is accused of cheating - acting dishonestly in order to gain an advantage- by offering cars with more power than advertised. They could be accused of cheating if they actually offered less power than claimed or if they spec'd the weight of the car as being less than it genuinely is. When I purchased the 765 under the impression that it was a 750 HP car and then discovered it actually measured more than 800 hp, I did not feel deceived. I did not approach my dealer for a discount nor did I angrily demand a refund. Receiving more than was bargained does not comport to the concept of being cheated. It is exactly the opposite.

 

Who the fc#k cares who is "cheating"

Bottom line is the 765LT is faster than the Pista. Period.

Would it make it better (less of a "cheater") if Mclaren branded the 765LT as the "760LT" so that it wasn't a labeled a "cheater" by some small minded people? And if it was, it would still be faster than a Pista.

So then what are we left with? Whether Mclaren cheats or not, its car is faster than Ferrari's. Happy?