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  1. Carguy222

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    will not getting the suspension lifter make it harder to resale? will the car handle much better without the lifter.on the 488 pista
     
  2. clockem

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    No difference in handling. The car sits very low and better safe than sorry. It’s kind of pay me now or pay more much later. I would not buy a used one without it but that’s me and where I drive, step driveways.
     
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  3. Lukeylikey

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    Don’t have it on my Speciale and have never had any issue on ferries, trains, speed bumps or inclines after over 10,000 miles. Did order it on Pista though since the overhang looks a bit more aggressive and I have carbon front splitter on Pista.
     
  4. RayJohns

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    Some people like them, some don't. I personally would never have one or buy a car that did. Other people feel exactly opposite as I do.

    Less is more in my book. I prefer a car without added complication and systems whenever possible.

    Ray
     
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  5. Carguy222

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    thanks for the input. I am still on the fence on the lifter. it is holding up my build order!
     
  6. RayJohns

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    Skid plate is a better solution in my book. It's always there no matter what. Usually helps with resale. Less unsprung weight, less stuff to fail.

    That's how I see it.

    The 488 has pretty good ground clearance. Not sure about the Pista, but I would think it's about the same. On my 458, I lowered it 15mm in the front and just used a skid plate. Worked great.

    Ray
     
  7. kevin1244

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    I have it on mine and I feel it is absolutely necessary. It has no impact on handling. I am not sure how much weight it adds, but it's negligible. Can it break? Yes, like everything else...
    I might lower my car (the car has fully adjustable suspension); then the lift is even more in demand wherever I go!
     
  8. Shadowfax

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    #8 Shadowfax, Apr 29, 2019
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    I can't imagine driving my Ferrari without a suspension lifter....would make the ownership experience far too restrictive. When I hear guys say they have never scraped without a lifter I find that very hard believe. All I can say to that is the world must be very very flat in some parts.

    I recall one occasion where I thought to myself i don't need to use the lifter to negotiate what was a lower than normal speed hump and I wound up scraping one of the brake ducts on the underside. It was cringe worthy.....not a nice sound. My 2 and 3 rs both have lifters as standard - most certainly doesn't affect their performance - nor does it the 488 - and I truly think Ferrari should do the right thing and just fit it as standard equipment.....should not be a cost option on this type of car.
     
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  9. lanpa8

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    On my Pista the lift goes up pretty high it definitely will be useful when the time comes...its a must have option imo. There will be times when you go to some places you never been to and will be glad you have that option and not have to worry if you will clear it without scratching anything
     
  10. lanpa8

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    I believe Pista is lower as its a track car...the front of the Pista have those small carbon pieces that stick out further which makes the front end lower
     
  11. Carguy222

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    Well, I must say I am still unsure whether to get the lifter, but i am thinking it might protect the carbon front splitter.
     
  12. Shadowfax

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    #12 Shadowfax, Apr 29, 2019
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    The 488 has very minimal ground clearance underneath - that's pretty clear to those of us who actually take our cars beyond a cars and coffee meet. I'm also not sure what there is to like or not like about a lifter other than it currently costs money to have it?? To me it's like having enough money to buy the car but not having enough to put petrol in it and drive it. The biggest problem i've found, forgetting about steep driveways and the likes, is the layback variances on every driveway. You can have a virtually flat driveway entrance and then have a layback that pinches you on the way into the driveway entrance due to the angle or roll of the road which it picks up from. Other issue I've found on my many many country runs is you can't guarantee every service station is going to have an entrance flat enough to be able to drive in at a 45% angle without pinching or scraping the underside of the nose. It just doesn't happen! Same situation if you want to pull of the side of the road at a cutting where there is no bitumen as the drop off from the bitumen onto to the gravel will has a change in levels - and irregular levels - as you come off the road onto that surface. Without a lifter would mean having to find a place to pull over so dead level it could mean the difference between pissing your pants if you have one of those times where you need to take a leak in a hurry. As i said, this is just a straight out money thing, nothing else. The world can't possibly be that flat everywhere like some here seem to make out and, the car is very low as it is and that's forgetting about the wheel gap in the guard. I've even pinched my rear diffuser once slightly coming out of a dead flat driveway due to the angle of the layback. To those who say they have never scraped without a lifter enjoy your cars and coffee sessions boys. Best of luck with it.
    PS and to those rare few who say they wouldn't buy one with a lifter the reality is there would be a hundred more buyers that wouldn't buy it if it didn't have one.
     
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  13. Carguy222

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    that is pretty strong endorsement for a lifter on the pista!
     
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  14. Shadowfax

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    Your call, your car. I can only go by my own experiences as a user that actually takes his car to unknown destinations. And a Pista without a lifter? LOL. You'll need to buy a rabbits foot and hang it around your neck with that one.
     
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  15. twcferrari

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    It was a "must have" during my search. I passed up all 458's that didn't have the lifter option. I use it frequently when I'm unsure of the angle of the driveway. Better safe than sorry.

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  16. Lukeylikey

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    I just haven’t needed it on any car. I had it on a 3RS and forgot to use it on occasion so still got the scrapes. I’m not saying you don’t get the odd touch if you go over a speed bump too quickly (easily solved...don’t go over speed bumps quickly) but that happens with and without the lifter because you always forget once or twice. The best use of the lifter is for getting over a city parking entrance designed long ago for ‘normal’ cars of 30 years ago where you just couldn’t gain access without a lifter. I have never encountered one in 10,000 fast miles with the Speciale, touring Spain, Italy, France and Switzerland including all over the Alps. I have lightly touched on the odd occasion with no damage, that’s all. Service stations that you can’t gain access to? Must be different in Oz because I just never came across that in Europe.
     
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  17. Shadowfax

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    If as you admit you have lightly touched on the odd occasion means you’ve lost material off the surface.

    I cant see the situation with roads and general driveway access any different between europe and oz - i also drive quite a bit in europe at least once every year and see same situations all around the place. It must be both painful and restrictive having to drive a car like this having to worry about where you can and cant access without the likelyhood of causing certain degrees of damage.

    And, If you’re seriously trying to tell me you’ve never encountered a situation where you’ve had to rethink your position and look for alternate means to access then i give up - all i can say is I’m sure glad I’VE got one. In fact even with a lifter there have been situations that have required careful negotiation or a rethink.
     
  18. Viperjoe

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    I would never consider a car without a lifter. I couldn’t check that box fast enough when I speced my 488.


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    #19 Shadowfax, Apr 30, 2019
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    When I first entertained the thought of buying a 488 I was shocked the car didn't come with one.... along with a lot of other basic stuff which would come standard in a Hyundai. I buy my cars to drive not pose around in or to just look at so it was a no brainer. The whole idea of thinking you can survive the ownership of this car without scraping on something (without a lifter) is just bizarre. I seriously just can't the believe the tight ass mentality of skimping on it. Ridiculous!! Actually it's just hilarious! No wonder most of these cars find their way back on the used market 2 years later with only few thousand Ks on them. Some owners probably can't afford to drive them anyway having so many worries on their minds......all the scraping, depreciation, fuel costs (I'm now guessing). Shheesh! What a joke. Just as well the bloody engine isn't optional!
     
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  20. RayJohns

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    definitely gotta be careful with the carbon fiber parts!

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  21. Carguy222

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    Well, today is finally decision day for the lifter, and at this point I think the weight and performance penalty is being outweighed by the safety of protecting the carbon fiber splitter. Comment So?
     
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  22. Carguy222

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    Sorry - comments?
     
  23. ttforcefed

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    i wld do the lifter. no one is ever going to competitively race this car. have you had lifters are your other ferraris?
     
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  24. RayJohns

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    real men use skid plates, racing harnesses and disable their air bags

    :)

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  25. Viperjoe

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    A wise decision; one you’ll come to appreciate more and more over time.


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