I guess I have no choice but to ask for advice from you guys........... I responded to this guys post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135008936&postcount=54 in this thread: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61863&highlight=cavallino+steel I paid $300 +$50 Shipping Here is the short ver. ==================================== Here's where I am......... I bought one from Steve on the June 19th that he said would ship THE NEXT DAY. Well, he finally shipped it July 11th and I received it on July 14th in about 3 major pieces and many chips. I contacted Fedex that day and they came the next day to pick it up and send it to "Damage Claim Dept.". They were done reviewing it in three days (July 20th) and the item was returned to me. As of AUG 5th 1:45 PM Steve has yet to: 1. File a claim 2. Refund my money 3. Send another 4. Contact me in anyway I have notified by Fedex he only has a couple more days to file a claim. I payed via Paypal- ----- What to do?, What to do? HERE IS THE LONG VERSION ============================================================= 6/19/05 (Sunday) Do you have paypal? How soon could it be shipped? What is it made of? Reply: it can be shipped Monday. the one in the picture can be sent to you.... it is made of a hardened type of plaster... they use this type of plaster for ogee moldings in houses...it is a super hard compound of plaster/hardered/fibers.... very tough and solid... [email protected] is my paypal account email adress..... www.exoticaronline.com is my dealership.... email me at [email protected] if you do send the funds....i rarely go into my hormail acount... add at least 50 $ for shipping / packing properly... ========================================================= 6/19/05 Sending money now Reply: From Stevememan wow,i guess you really dont want to miss it ! i wil get 3 more later in the week... in a ny case,i will mail it on monday... send me a pm with a tel # if i need to reach you... Forward Message ============================================================= 6/28/05 Originally Posted by LetsJet Steve, Did it go out? Do you have a tracking number? Reply: From Stevememan emd of this week,it will be mailed... ======================================================== 7/6/05 Hey Steve, I sent you money awhile ago and you said you'd ship it right out. Then you said you'd ship it last week. Well, I haven't heard from you......... Is everything ok? How about a tracking number? Reply: From Stevememan it is boxed up and will be mailed when my employees are back from vacation monday...all of quebec is usually pn vacation 1st week of july ! ======================================================== 7/14/05 ITEM ARRIVES via Fedex in pieces. I contacted Steve via phone the minute I opened it and told him it arrived broken. He asked me to send email to show the damage and I did. (Picture below) From Stevememan "OK..EMAIL ME A PIC" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric@Fchat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: cav I've contacted fedex and they are coming tomorrow to inspect. They told me to tell you to contact them so they can send the forms to make a claim. ======================================================= 7/14/05 To: "Eric@Fchat" <[email protected]> too bad...fax me whatever fed ex will sign.. 514-448-xxxx ....call me at 514-823-xxxx tomororw after they come and sign tthe damage report ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric@Fchat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: cav Here you go......... ======================================================= 7/19/05 Originally Posted by LetsJet What is the status? They picked up the item on Friday. When I called today, they said you had not filed a claim. At this point, I'd like my money back instead of a replacement. Thanks Reply: From Stevememan we just received the fax from them to file a claim. ========================================================================================== 7/19/05 From Stevememan: are they returning the item here ? i will not refund the $.i will file a claim and replace the item. i have no proof that you received the item like that or maybe you dropped it and broke it. but,i will work with you and replace it. My Reply : Steve, It is unfortunate you would question me. It shows what kind of person you are. I can tell you the way it was packaged there was no way it wasn't going to be broken. I do not want another one because it is easily breakable, heavy, and no bracket to mount it on a wall. Also, it had a terrible paint smell. I think if you send another, it will break in shipping and we will be going through this again. Please refund my money. If you want to wait until you get reimbursed I don't care. I would just like you to do the right thing. ========================================================================================== ========================================================================================== I haven't heard one word from this guy. I spent $350 for broken plaster.......... FYI The only way this item will ship safely is if it is foam sprayed around it like most sculptures. One other note: There is no mounting bracket and I'm not sure if you could drill anything into this as it's pretty fragile. I think mounting bolts or something needs to be placed during the manufacturing otherwise it looks nice. What to do? What to do? I've always had such good relations with fellow Fchaters this has me stumped Image Unavailable, Please Login
did you insure the shipment? Was the box labelled fragile? I doubt it was broken when he sent it out. I dont think he is being out of line by not sending you another one.
That sucks. If the guy is willing to send you another I think that you'll have to just accept that. It probably didn't cost much to make.
Put a claim in with Paypal. Call them and ask them to help. IF he has funds in his account, they will freeze them pending their investigation. Also, if Paypal used your credit card to cover the expense, call the credit card company. They'll beat on paypal to resolve it. Finally, call Fedex and ask them to help you. The more places you put heat on, the better chance you have of recovering, relatively painlessly. SAVE ALL THE PACKAGING!! The box itself, and the stuffing are proof of bad shipping if they show any signs of damage. DM
Yup it sure is. Anything and everything Ferrari is trademarked, copywritten ( if that's a word) and vigorously pursued by them when infringed. From www.Ferrari.com "Ferrari S.p.A has copyright on all logos, text and images contained on the web site. All rights are reserved, protected, and controlled throughout the world. Use of these logos is reserved to the company, licensed users and other affiliates. Licensees For information related to brand-use licences you can write to: Ferrari S.p.A. Divisione Licensing and Merchandising Via Abetone Inferiore, 4 41053 Maranello (Modena) Italy Fax: +39-0536-949.959" Needless to say, the horsie is a logo. So, protected by TM, RM or copywrite, not all that sharp on this stuff, but I wouldn't use it without permission, and they don't give that away. I tried some time ago to use the logo in a fundraising event. ASKED FIRST. Got told in no uncertain terms, "NO, NOT EVEN FOR A FUND RAISER." DM
Don't know but I got the same horse (even down to the detail on the neck muscles) from Exoticar in New York (the one on display did have a Ferrari merchandise sticker on it). Same size, finish, material, etc. Didn't trust them to ship it, due to its fragility, so I took it with me. Good advice!
Thanks, This is what I know: I didn't ship it, he did... so I don't know what he entered as the value or insurance. It might not have been broken when he shipped it, but there is no way this item could have arrived safetly. It was packaged in bubble wrap and was sandwiched between two wood boards. It could easily slide around hitting the sides of the box. I don't think it's Licenced, but I didn't think the Cav is registered. He said he would send another but I haven't seen it. If he shipped it the same way, it will brake. Also, there is no way to mount it. If you drill into this it will brake. Therefore I don't want another one. I have all packaging and broken peices.
Well I think we should start another thread about Ferraris trademarks, if you want. It's a bit off the topic. Though, I'm sure if you asked them, they will say no you can't use it. Most companies place a TM or registered mark if it is trademarked. For example, I'm looking at an Epson box with a small R next to Epson. I'm sure what you wrote is Ferraris policy on their website.
I don't care how it got broken; the guy selling it needs to step up and FIX the problem. Send another RIGHT NOW, then he can try to get reimbured from the shipping company. No matter who's fault, the seller needs HAPPY customers, customers that post GLOWING reports on F-Chat, customers that feel the vender went way beyond the call. To not keep the customer (lets face it , this is a VERY elective purchase) happy is foolish. Good luck.
Thanks Uro, As you can see, I waited a considerable amount of time before posting anything in hopes of getting the matter resolved. I just don't want to see this happen to a fellow Fchater. I think this experience might help someone else here. I understand he sells used ferraris. I wonder how other customers feel about his business practices. Edit: Here is his website http://www.exoticaronline.com/ Anyone know anything about it?
ERIC ALL PACKAGES BY UPS OR FED EX ARE INSURED BY THEM UP TO 100.00 IF HE SENT THE HORSE TO YOU, WITH OUT INSURING IT EXTRA (OVER 100.00) THEN IT MUST COST HIM UNDER 100.00 FOR THE PRODUCT GET ME THE TRACKING # AND ILL FORWARD YOU THE INFO THATS WHY I MAKE ALL, AGAIN ALL PURCHASES WITH AMEX...THEY ARE A PLEASURE TO DEAL WITH SEND ME THE TRACKING #, ILL HELP YOU WITHY THIS PRIICK BRUCE
Dave's right... Remember the name "Al Robbins"... Gerald used to use the Prancing Horse on the cover of the Ferrari Market Letter... Not anymore...
FNA copyright attorney... i wasn't asking if you remembered his name, i was TELLING you to remember it... 'cause if Ferrari ever catches you abusing their logo, he's the one that will be on the other end of the phone when you get "the call"... i'm waiting to hear from him regarding my chest...
Careful...they might have it surgically removed by fastening tow straps from a black Enzo to your nip rings.
Could they really come after Carbon? Just wondering since I have the Polo Horse right where it would be if I had a Polo shirt on. Although Polo does know about it and they think it is great for them.