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Please sign petition for ethanol free gasoline

Discussion in 'California & Nevada (Northern)' started by caymanslover, Mar 15, 2011.

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  1. caymanslover

    caymanslover Karting

    Dec 16, 2005
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    Tom
    Hi Everyone,

    The EPA has just granted the corn growers' lobby the permission to bump the % of ethanol in gasoline from 10% to 15%. Not only is this an added burden on us taxpayers who are subsidizing the use of corn based ethanol for fuel in gasoline sold in this country, we are getting less mpg from our gallon of gasoline at inflated prices. The idea of adding oxygenated fuel additives like MTBE or alcohols to fuel was a way in the 1970's to regulate tailpipe emissions when the internal combustion engines were carburated. After 4 decades of fuel injection advances, today's engines and catalytic converters have completely made it possible to extract maximum efficiency and mpg from today's fuel (gasoline or diesel). Since scientifically there are less carbon atoms in a unit of ethanol versus a unit of octane (2 versus 8) the amount of energy available from complete combustion of each fuel is directly proportional to the inherent amount of the fuel itself. Pure gasoline will give more energy per gallon than 10 or 15% diluted with ethanol gasoline. the mpg will be at least 10 -15% higher on straight gas than gas containing ethanol.

    If you go to this link http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=CA , you will find that CA has 3 stations in Fairfield, Suisun City, and Travis AFB who sells pure gasoline!!!

    Please sign the petition there for the EPA to allow continued production of 100% gasoline fuels as there are many other reasons ethanol will destroy the engines of our beloved older classic cars.

    thanks in advance
    Tom Shih
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
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    I am agree about alcohol but your petition does not have a chance.

    The agri industry with players like ADM contributing massive amounts to politicians and their lobbyists working the room full time trump all the signatures you can possibly get.


    Your efforts will be far better rewarded if you work to get career politicians out of Washington.
     
  3. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 Dr Tommy Cosgrove, Mar 15, 2011
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2011
    I just pulled a sample from the tank on one of my cars and it was right at 25% alcohol. I have a picture but it was forwarded to me on my phone. I'll try to put it up here if I can.

    I only buy "brand" fuel, BP, Shell, etc. NEVER from a mom and pop foodmart station (not that they don't sell anything better than Shell but I got a bad tank once in 1985 from a place like that and I never forgot it.)

    Anyway, I was talking to a guy at the shop about it yesterday and he pointed out that it usually says "at least" 10% (or whatever) ethanol - so 25% is in spec...

    Scary isn't it?
     
  4. maestro8

    maestro8 Formula 3
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    Dec 2, 2009
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    Jason
    Ugh.

    Every time I read this kinda crap I'm even happier about the SR fuel hoses I put in my car :)

    I wonder how the hoses in my daily driver Toyota are doing...
     
  5. caymanslover

    caymanslover Karting

    Dec 16, 2005
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    New Jersey
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    Tom
    Brian,

    You're right about the politicians, but no battle or war is ever won by resigning to the overwhelming odds we are faced with. The USA has so much domestically available natural gas, coal, and oil as well as rare earths metals (needed for magnets and high technology) which can be environmentally and responsibly developed through good science based policy (which is currently totally lacking in the last several administrations due to special interests meddling), yet we are stuck paying ridiculously higher rates for our foreign derived resources because we are afraid of drilling in our own backyard, use nuclear energy (due to fear of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island , now Japanese disaster). The one main problem with the environmentalists running our nation's energy policies is their major belief in Al Gore's man made global warming theory and labeling carbon dioxide as a pollutant (and potential source of tax revenues).

    We are a carbon based life-form and society. The natural cycle of carbon recycling through the earth's plants and microbes of animal kingdom's and man's industrial emissions is a balance that is well within the earth's ecosystem's ability to balance given the scale of the earth relative to the power of Man (which has been grossly overestimated as evidence by our inability to control Nature in cases of natural calamities- Mount St Helen exploded with the force of several Nuclear bombs; earthquakes, and tsunamis cannot be averted by man's puny attempts, etc.)

    As long as we let those environmental extremists elect politicians who are going to propagate the false theory of man made global warming, we will have to suffer expensive gas pricing, food scarcity, propagating regimes of the world that are our enemies who happen to sell oil that we cannot seem to break our dependence of. +
     
  6. caymanslover

    caymanslover Karting

    Dec 16, 2005
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    New Jersey
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    Tom
    The fuel hoses will deteriorate and we will all lose our prized cars from engine fires in the near future. The CIS fuel injection systems found in the 1980's cars are all rusting away from the water that ethanol wicks from the air. Ethanol like I've posted or any other oxygenated additive is completely unnecessary from the point of controlling emissions and clean air quality due to today's engine technology. Scientific facts and rationale are being sacrificed to politics.
     

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