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430 Poll: How to properly check oil level???

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How to properly measure the oil level

  1. Like the OM says "The cap with the oil dipstick must be resting on the oil separator filler neck"

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  2. Insert the cap into the groves so it slides down but dont turn it.

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  1. DriftKr6l

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    All right guys. I need to know the proper way of checking the oil level, manual says just to rest the cap on the oil tank but everyone here and on YouTube seems to say to insert the cap into the grooves so it drops down but don't turn it. That's two very different ways of doing it. Obviously if you place the cap into the grooves and it drops down that changes the oil level reading drastically.

    From the OM
    "The cap with the oil dipstick must be resting on the oil separator filler neck."

    To me that means just rested on the filler neck don't insert the grooves so that it drops down.
     
  2. boba fett

    boba fett Formula Junior

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    What difference does it make, its hardly that accurate which ever way you do it.
     
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  3. DriftKr6l

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    The difference is over 16mm, and the low to high mark is 55mm, so you are potentially seeing that the oil is right at the middle where it should be and in fact its low if you are supposed to measure with it just resting on the filler neck and not insert it into the slots.

    Left pic is with the cap inserted into the slots and right pic is with the cap resting on the filler neck and not instead into the slots.

    On my Aprilia Tuono V4 the manual specifically says to measure the oil insert the cap with measuring stick into the oil fill hole but do not thread it in, just let it rest on it, which is sort of what it says in the Ferrari book, so this is why I am confused about all the youtube vids and post here where people insert the cap into the slots allowing it to drop down.

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  4. DriftKr6l

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    Do we have a Ferrari master tech in this forum that could help to shed some light on this important topic?
     
  5. colorfull

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    I follow the manual.
     
  6. DriftKr6l

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    So you just rest it on the neck, not actually putting it into the slots and letting it drop down?
     
  7. colorfull

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    Yes, exactly as the manual says. Rest it on the neck.

    I have not seen anyone advocating the twist and drop that you describe, I've read i think most of the threads, of course, I could be mistaken.

    Twisting it so it drops is essentially closing it without tightening it, which is not what the OM describes.
     
  8. DriftKr6l

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    4:20 is what everyone seems to be doing, which I agree is not what the OM says, so everyone seems to be running their cars near the low oil level if they are aiming at being half way between high and low but are dropping their oil cap all the way down to measure.

     
  9. Rifledriver

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    The car hold 10 1/2 quarts of motor oil and you are concerned with a methodology that "might" change the outcome by 1/2 a quart?

    You do know oil expands a lot when it gets hot? If its a little low just get the oil hotter and the level will come right up.

    Also did you know oil level in some dry sump cars was used to regulate oil temp?
     
  10. DriftKr6l

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    Yes..OM says what temp to check it at, thats a known, just trying to determine what the resting spot of the oil dipstick is.
     
  11. Rifledriver

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    Who cares?
     
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    Me. Must be the engineer in me. Feel free to run your car 1/2 a quart over or under, I'd like to know the exact level.
     
  13. colorfull

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    I don't know why anyone would follow that video demonstration over the OM especially when he is doing it wrong, my 2 cents. I think I saw that one a long time ago, and dismissed it as 'he is doing it wrong, that's not what it says in the manual'.

    I think the word 'on' the neck is clear enough, if it should be lowered down (effectively closed), I expect the manual would have described it simply as 'tighten the cap all the way down, then check the level' which would be unambiguous.
     
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  14. DriftKr6l

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    Agree, but trust me its a thing, I'm willing to bet a ton of people are checking the oil level with the cap inserted into the grooves.
    For example look at this:

    The internet is full of misinformation unfortunately, which is why I wanted to start this thread and poll ppl on how they do it.
     
  15. colorfull

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    I wasn't doubting you, I've seen enough incorrect videos to believe it. That's an F8, don't know what the F8 manual says about how to do it. Maybe that one is checked that way, dunno. One thing I could tell you is if I had an F8, and was checking the oil, I would definitely read the manual and how to do it!!!

    It is crazy that someone would go through so much work to create a video and not at least make sure that their information is correct.

    I always use the manual as my first point of reference, then reach out for any additional useful real world input.
     
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  16. DriftKr6l

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    Agree.
    Yeah, I know its an F8, but title of video says How to check oil level on a dry sump Ferrari. Craziness.
     
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  17. ItalGerBrit

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    We could always talk about the proper way to put air into "Ferrari" tires.
     
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  18. Rifledriver

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    Been doing this on Ferraris for over 40 years. Dry sump cars are impossible to get an exact measurement. Too many variables As far as exact level, bad idea. better by far to be on the low side. No harm comes from being low. Too full however will be an expensive experience. From that experience I far prefer a quart or so low because like I said, too many variable to get it precise
     
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  19. Rifledriver

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    Have you ever confirmed the indicated temp is correct? I use an IR thermometer because so few are.
     
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