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POLL, polls, and why are Ferrari fans voting differently?

Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by Mark(study), Jun 24, 2005.

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  1. Mark(study)

    Mark(study) F1 Veteran

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    I wanted to know why all of F1 fans blame FIA. But when you poll Ferrari fans you get such different numbers?

    Today on Ferrari Chat poll:
    Who is to blame?
    23% FIA
    74% Michelin

    Todays Eurosport UK poll:
    Who is to blame for the US GP fiasco?
    43% FIA
    38% Michelin

    My thoughts.... every businessman has vendor problems every day/week/month and is always putting out fires. If you're a good Executive and you want to work for a top firm, you better make sure the show goes on, blaming a vendor will only get you fired. Blaming Michelin seems to be a shifting of the blame...for why F1 disappointed 100,000 fans and millions of TV viewers last week.

    Yet Ferrari fans don't see it that way. Is it because.....
    1). Ferrari has suffered through the first half of the year with tire problems, and this finally looks like a leveling of the playing field between tire makers?

    2). Or is it that Ferrari fans are a lot of college kids that haven't had the experience yet? When your key vendors screw-up (and they will BIG TIME)..... you better have a plan, because the show must go on, that's why we hired you! :)

    3). We have a lot of Accountants and Law Enforcement professionals on Ferrari chat. Some personalities just live and thrive better in a "rules dominate" environment.
     
  2. TCT

    TCT Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2004
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    Let’s see how many different ways one can beat a dead horse.

    Let’s review for the "challenged" folks of the world.

    The FIA is not at fault.
    Ferrari is not at fault.

    The teams are at fault.
    Michelin is at fault.

    In less than a week...you will see the FIA bend over the teams and ream them with the largest pineapple they can find. End of story.

    Can we PLEASE move on to different topics now??

    Oh yes...polls are stupid and mean nothing unless you believe what to watch on the nightly news as the God's honest truth.

    Have a great day and thanks for playing. :D
     
  3. Mark(study)

    Mark(study) F1 Veteran

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    I've been reading a few different boards, and all week Ferrari Chat has been out of step with the larger F1 fan base. I finally have some poll numbers that show what I thought I was seeing. So I'm going to ask my question... and see if anyone else is interested in being more than a sports fan on this issue?
     
  4. bigndude

    bigndude Karting

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    Its because the FIA followed rules. If they didn't then it would be stupid and people would complain left and right. Personally it would have been hilarious to give Michelin their chicane because their tires still wouldn't have lasted, and odds are they would quit. Then people would blame the FIA for bending the rules and someone getting hurt. Simply put its like the government and laws. If a law says you can't steal someones car, and you do because you feel you are more deserving and then you want the law bent obviously its not gonna happen. Same thing here. Most people on those other sites are in Europe and when they vote they only think about their team and not the rules.

    P.s. Mark you seem to have some sort of point to prove, that we are all wrong. Every post is about why we think this way, we back it up and you try to change peoples minds. Are you even an F1 fan or Ferrari fan?
     
  5. TCT

    TCT Formula Junior

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    Mr. Mark,

    Well now, considering most people in this world are less than intelligent and should be warned with "use of this device could result in death" when operating anything more complex than a toothbrush...then yea...you are going to hear everything from its the family dog's fault to it was an act of God.

    Go ahead and ask your questions, nobody is stopping you.

    Ignorance is BLISS!
     
  6. Mark(study)

    Mark(study) F1 Veteran

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    Maybe you're right. The type that hang around in FerrariChat racing section know so much about racing.... ( like those baseball fans that can tell you who was on 3rd base in 1972 at 7:00pm in Ohio). That they are a much more educated base of race experts.

    Maybe I'm looking for a business answer in the sporting section?... should have posted this in Off Topic/ Business section :)
     
  7. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm not surprised and I think it has been like this all along, not just on this issue. Pink glasses syndrome.
     
  8. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

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    Knowing stats and understanding the meaning are 2 very very different things.

    FAI simply provides a venue for competition. They make and enforce the rules so the competition is fair. They did exactly what they were supposed to do…in the face of extreme pressure, they enforce the rules and gave the win to the teams who came prepare to race.

    The teams however decided that since they could not safety be competitive, they would just go home. If it was just one team, and they gave proper notice, that probably would have been the end of it. But it was 7 acting together is defiance of the rules. They should and will be punished for that behavior. The FIA has nothing to do with Michelin and really doesn’t care why the teams did what they did.

    Why others see it differently I don’t know. But I like the quote “everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to their own facts”.
     
  9. Mr Payne

    Mr Payne F1 Rookie

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    How exactly can they do that when the teams have all the power? Certainly the FIA needs the teams more than the teams need the FIA.
     
  10. robert biscan

    robert biscan F1 Veteran
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    I think that's what this is all about.
     
  11. watt

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  12. 4RE Bob

    4RE Bob Formula Junior

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    So when 10 out of 10 teams want to change qualifying to one session, it's OK to change the rules, but when 9 out of 10 teams agree on a chicane, the rules are the rules?
     
  13. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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  14. mk e

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    Basically yes, if 10 out of 10 agree and the change will not cause a safety issue, then I see no reason not to make the change. All the teams agreed to compete in 2005 by the rules. If all the teams are willing to accept a change, then there is no reason not to make it.

    Changing the course after all the inspections, testing, practice, and qualifying are done to an untested configuration for the purpose of aiding team that arrived unprepared is just silly. IMO FIA should have b*tch-slapped them just for asking.
     
  15. zsnnf

    zsnnf Formula 3

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    I'll take a #1 with a side of #3 please....
     

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