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Pondering: Challenge Stradale vs 360 Challenge?

Discussion in 'Challenge/GT Cars/Track' started by Tipo815, Apr 28, 2010.

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  1. Tipo815

    Tipo815 F1 Rookie

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    #1 Tipo815, Apr 28, 2010
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    I've been pondering the idea of acquiring another 360 Challenge race car to use at various social track events. I had a 360 Challenge car a few years back and did not end up using it enough to warrant keeping it (not sure why I think it will be different this time around!). :)

    In doing some research it appears that any decent 360 Challenge car is going to cost at least $90k+. There are some beaters out there in the $70k range but I don't relish buying a piece of junk that could have considerable issues down the road. Nice cars with a complete history of documented incidents (every Challenge car has hit something at one time or another), documented service (including all campaigns completed, etc.) is going to be $90k+.

    It started me thinking ... what if I bought one of the higher mileage "storied" Stradales for around $100k and essentially "dialed it in" for the track? I would assume about $10k would be sufficient to install a roll cage and lower/align/corner balance the car. It would be "track ready" in most respects AND be street legal at the same time! It would already be a storied or high mileage car so I'm not concerned about depreciation. Simply put ... it's going to happen!

    I guess the only real concern at the end of the day might be the suspension. I've driven a Stradale on the track and it was a very capable car but it was no where near a 360 Challenge car. The addition of suspension enhancements like the Moton adjustable dampers or something would help considerably.

    I guess the questions to consider are ... do I want to consider the Stradale alternative and sacrifice some track capabilities (remember I'm doing this for fun), have the ability to drive the car on the road and have a easier time selling it later on OR do I just go with the race car that is purpose built, can't be driven on the road, might be harder to sell, etc.

    I'm not sure where I'm going with this thread other than voicing my thoughts and pondering ...

    Any thoughts from those of you with alot more experience with the 360 Challenge cars and what I am consdering here?
     
  2. ross

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    may i suggest a perusal of my marathon thread along similar lines but coming from the other direction...

    personally i think, IF you are able to transform the challenge car into being street legal, that is a better starting point for your objective. if this is NOT possible, then that answers the question right away - you will be forced to start with a storied strad.

    but look at my thread and you will see what the fellow did to make it street legal in switzerland.
     
  3. ProCoach

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    Easy decision. Race car! :D
     
  4. johnhoughtaling

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    As a result of a host of relatively economical challenge support teams (CFC, Speedworks), the ownership experience of a 360 challenge has changed. I had one for years and never used it until I got involvedwith these teams. For btw 300-500 per day they will fully support your car. They will store it for free and deliver it directly to track for transport costs. Arrive and drive bliss. Plus they keep u safe.

    Additionally with the new areo GT mods the grip of the 360 GT is mind boggling.

    With this new support system, the market for the 360C is very very strong. And at an average event there are now 20-40 challenge cars showing up.

    360c all the way. You are not safe at speed in a Stradale with just a roll bar in a crash. Do yourself a favor and try a 360C like this.
     
  5. 95spiderman

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    dont think roll cage is good idea in street car since cant use harness/helmet and will cause major neuro trauma if accident
     
  6. ARTNNYC

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    I happen to have both a Challenge Stradale and a 360 Challenge Car so I feel well qualified to address your question.
    I can absolutely tell you that the Stradale is NOT a race car. It is a very taught visceral street car but once on a track the suspension becomes very soft and without the safety features of a racecar such as roll cage, fire system and emergency cutoff you are compromising your enjoyment and well being. Plus all the electronics will be difficult to disable if you so desire. If you are looking for a car to just do DE events a Stradale will suffice. If you want a racecar buy a 360 Challenge. Once you start to modify a Stradale to race prep you will entirely lose the audience that may want to buy that car in the future while the CHallenge Car, being a factory racecar, could only appreciate in value
     
  7. mousecatcher

    mousecatcher Formula 3

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    if you can get the race car for less, get the race car.
     
  8. ChalStrad

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    It really comes don to chat you want.

    In Europe, at least, mots of the CS suspension parts are off a Challenge car. A proper front end set up (takes some work to get it right) and a good set of slicks and the CS is a great track car, but not a racing car. It is, however, a rare beast and while Challenge cars are a dime a dozen, literally, a CS continues to be a collector.

    The issue of electronic mentioned above is a non issue as both cars are equipped with ABS and ASR - the latter being disconnectable.

    I have owned a 430 Challenge and still have a CS. The CS still puts a smile on my face and will do a 1min 30 around mythical Dijon ( versus 1, 28.3 in a Challenge car)....
     
  9. F430GT

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    Get the Stradale. A cage is cheap to buy and install, add the proper padding to the cage and it becomes street compatible, a padded cage is as soft as the roof, a-pillar, b-pillar. Fire extinguisher, cut-off switch, easy and cheap mods as well. Do not use a bare naked cage on a street car.

    There are direct replacement steel rotors for the Stradale, you don't want to run CCB. The Ferrari dealer can change the Stradale ECU configuration to steel brakes (once steel brakes are installed) to disable the wear-out algorithm from cars with CCB.

    Suspension is an easy mod as well, I went with Moton 3-way in my Scuderia, and I'm still playing with spring rates. I ran 1200#/1500# springs, and the car is still comfortable on the streets.

    The Stradale would be around 200 lbs heavier than the 360 Challenge. So, you need to decide if you want top performance (go with the Challenge), or less performance but street legal car.

    You can run 19" 8.5/10 wheels with the Pirelli race slicks from the F430 Challenge, or run R6 in many sizes depending on wheel width. The stock 360 can handle 10" front wheels and 13" rear wheels with the stock fenders, I would go with 9"/11"x19" and run 235/295 R6. You can also downside the brakes, and run 18" wheels, more options for tires.
     

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