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  1. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    my heart goes out to kimi if he loses the championship this year...it's not really his fault, alonso's has all the luck, while kimi has next to nothing..he's the man in my opinion fit to inherit schumi's crown...just look at the pace of the mclaren...simply awesome..he can still finish on the podiums when starting at the 2nd half of the grid..reminds me of ferrari's 2002 season...where ferrari can win from almost anywhere...remember ruben's stall in the british gp that year? the way he came back for a ferrari 1-2 was stunning, proving the pace of the F2002, which reminds me a lot when i see kimi storming from the back of the grid in that mclaren..really stunning...hopefully, kimi wins...
     
  2. ScuderiaRossa

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    As much as I detest McLaren, I am still hoping for Kimi. Yet, why would they stress an already fast car with an additional 20 hp? They're beating themselves, while Renault is easing back a bit to ensure points.
     
  3. tifosi12

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    McLaren (Merc) overstress the engine by adding hp and risk engine failures. McLaren run a risky one stop strategy which overstresses the tire due to heavy fuel loads and causes a failure.
    Kimi pushes as hard as he can and risks going off the track into the gravel.

    Renault play it safe and satisfy themselves with the 2nd spot. Alonso keeps a cool head and drives home the points when it is tempting to go all out for the glory of the victory at Monza.

    Just calling it bad and good luck doesn't match the reality of engineering and racing decisions made by either team and driver.

    Alsono reminds me already of Prost. But Prost was at that point about 5 years older.
     
  4. Dane

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    #4 Dane, Sep 5, 2005
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    I think Alonso's a great guy and, Ferrari aside, would not be disappointed to see him crowned. I ran into him at the '03 USGP (photos below to prove it) and he was very personable and friendly.

    Kimi has proven himself at times to be, IMO, immature, disrespectful and temperable especially considering how he's treated track workers. Yes, his luck has, at times, been down this year. That's racing.

    I'll add my next cent and a half to this. I honestly think Michael has had the worst luck this year and it's due to one word: Bridgestone. I'm disgruntled with those saying he's a "has-been" and should retire. Nuts!! I say. Put him on a set of the Michelin's and we'd be drinkin' to another championship. Like I said, though, that's racing. It's the complete package that wins.

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  5. racerx3317

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    Because they were way behind and were trying desperately to catch up. If the engine had not blown and Kimi would have won they would have been heroes. It was a calculated risk but nessecary if you want to win. Renualt can cruise because they are in position to do so. The other way around they would have done the same.
     
  6. joker57676

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    I agree with merc's decision to run the higher HP engine. They need Kimi to win so they were trying to ensure he had the best chance possible. It didn't work and thats their fault, but he has had some pretty bad luck with other situations. Im not a Kimi fan but I do like him more than Alanso so I hope so how he manages to snatch the championship from him in the end. And as for Ferrari, I truly hope they can get the tire situation figured out with Bridgestone and get the whole package back on track next year.

    Mark
     
  7. ScuderiaRossa

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    Did they really need the additional HP; they're already the fastest car out there.
     
  8. PSk

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    Guys Tifosi is right.

    WC's are won at the BEGINNING of the season not the end ... normally. Thus Renault are playing the right cards and McLaren are doing their best, but also risking all.

    Thus it is up to Renault to LOOSE this one ... really.

    What McLaren need to do is get their act together for the VERY first race in the season!!!! ... again like they used to.

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  9. bretm

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    The real thing to be sad about IMO is the current scoring system, which stresses consistency over wins. 10-8-... It was truer to the whole point of a race back in the day, 10-6-...
     
  10. Jameel

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    I agree with you Len, they didn't need to stress the engine to the extra 20HP, they are already the fastest car in the field. I mean Kimi was carrying an extra 45kg of fuel and qualified on pole. Why do they need the extra HP?McLaren is doing this to themselves, so I don't feel too bad for them. It's not good luck or bad luck they are stressing the engines too much.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Agreed. There should be an extra incentive for the victory.

    The irony is, that they came up with the 10-8 to prevent a runaway MS clinching the title in mid season and now the same system prevents Kimi from catching up to runaway Alonso. Even if Kimi wins all races, Alonso can still hang in there in "cruise control mode" to drive it home.

    I do like the extra points for seventh and eigth place.
     
  12. Tojo

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    I reckon Kimi can shoulder a fair portion of the blame on himself. He's too rough on the car which helps lead to the failures. JPM theoretically, has the same equipment, yet can finish a race if he doesn't have a brain fade. He's also alot smoother driver than Kimi and is'nt as hard on the car and can still win races.

    I hope Kimi never wins a championship and never goes to Ferrari also. He's more boring than Mika and Ferrari, F1, and we the fans deserve to see some personality and passion and fun in the sport. It's the least the circus owes us for the years of denying us great racing due to stupid aero rules and tyre rules. I'll stop my rant now before I really get going.....................
     
  13. Jameel

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    I agree Kimi is pretty boring, as fare as his personality goes. But when it comes to racing he's very interesting to watch. He pushes very hard, he never gives up. I may not like his persona but who cares, he's not paid to win a popularity contest, he's paid to win races.
     
  14. tuttebenne

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    Amen. What are they thinking? It is madness to perform engine development on a package that is the fastest out there at a time when they need reliability.

    Did anyone catch Kimi "breathing" the McLaren on his qualifying run? I think it was on the run down to the Parobolica. You can hear him lift for a few tenths. Either his foot came off the pedal (?) or he doesn't want to show the full potential. The speed that car has is just amazing.
     
  15. Koby

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    Kimi boring? While the rest of F1 are tucked away in their pajamas getting as much sleep as possible for the race, Kimi is out getting blasted all night. partying with strippers, and STILL blows them all into the weeds.

    From what I've seen in watching motorsports for several years, Finns can seem cold because of how they talk and their sense of humor, but in reality are a very fun loving group.
     
  16. jbanzai

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    As an old saying says in Spain, "I did kill a dog once, now I am known as 'the dog killer'"

    I highly doubt that Kimi does that every day before a race. That is just pure Yellow press.

    Now what you say about Nordics it is true, I find them too as a fun loving group, and quite posibly true for Kimi too. At least they seem partty animals when they come to Spain, specially Ibiza.

    Now Alonso, does not drink alcohol and he does not smoke anything. Plain boring, but surely better for a clear mind at the race.

    - Julio.
     
  17. tifosi12

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    Keke Rosberg (also a Fin) compares Kimi's charisma to a turned off TV set.

    Sad to read that about Alonso. I have to rethink my support for the guy...
    :)
     
  18. imperial83

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    You do not need to smoke and drink to have fun!!! :)
     
  19. tifosi12

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    Of course not. I just wish somebody, anybody would remind me more of the good ol' times of Irvine, Hunt, Rega, Berger and not be a corporate robot,err spokesperson.
     
  20. imperial83

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    I like the fact that there is no more BS off the track and the race is what counts! Then again this season is an absolute FARCE and there is no real racing going on.

    The current rules make it a hollow championship regardless if Kimi or Alonso wins it.
     
  21. murcie.mania

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    No real racing this season, hey? So we're missing those nail-biting Ferrari 1-2s where the next car was a scintillating 40 seconds away? Or the real racing we experienced in Austria a few seasons back? Hahaha...
     
  22. joker57676

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    At least Kimi shows some emotion when he retires from a race. Its a nice change from the normal boring drivers that never show any emotion. Some may call his throwing stuff childish but at least we get to see he cares. Sometimes I think other drivers dont because they never show they do.

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  23. Nicke

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    As you can imageine the tabloids are having a printblast everytime Kimi so much as touches as beer bottle or something alike. But my opinnion and most of the finnish populations is simply that yes, he might loose some sponsor money but basicly he is just acting like any "boy" in that age.

    Generally, Yes, Finns are a shy population but when they get to know you or "warm up" , they love having a blast. Also finns dont tend to babble, rather say what is important and thats that. But I'm shore Kimi has received hours and hours of consultation how to behave, dont they all ? Maybe that's the reason why no one is behaving entertainingly anymore ?
     
  24. Nicke

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    #24 Nicke, Sep 13, 2005
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    VERY true, but I got this picture today in the mail of James Hunt "preparing for the race in 1976" LOL

    Maybe Kimi is just trying to act like Mr Hunt ;)
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  25. racerx3317

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    No, but it helps.............:)
     

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