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Poor Quality Paintwork

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Traveller, Nov 15, 2012.

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  1. Traveller

    Traveller F1 Veteran

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    I have just collected my Spider and the quality of the paintwork leaves a lot to be desired. Heavy orange peel in some areas and when put alongside a car that has been detailed, the difference is extraordinary. Any other cars at this price level such as Rolls or Bentley seem to have flawless paint so is Ferrari just doing the minimum knowing that it will probably get away with it? I have to say it was only when standing alongside a new car that had been flattened and repolished that I first really noticed the difference but now I find myself looking at many other manufacturers to compare.
     
  2. dr.sb

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    Congratulations on the car. Unfortunately the paint work quality has been known about for some time (lack of). I saw plenty on the line at Maranello and they did plenty to be desired too. Apparently they spray by hand and this is what they put it has been put down to?

    Let it not tarnish your experience, get it detailed and protected with the shield protection and have it looking the way it should be. Just consider it the real price of the car with all that factored in.

    Look forward to some pictures of your spider. Look forward to seeing it around the UK too!
     
  3. Noblesse Oblige

    Noblesse Oblige F1 Veteran

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    Paint correction should take care of it since problems are almost always associated with clear coat application. It should not happen but it does.
     
  4. marknkidz

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    completely agree!! My 04 stradale was so bad in places, they had to re-paint some panels as it was so thin!! plus the door must of been repainted at port of entry.. and was off by a shade as well!! had to make sure the dealer gave me a letter stating the paint was corrected due to factory issues and not accident!! so much better now!!
     
  5. isuk

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    All of the standard range colours are painted by in the large, modern paint shop complex by robot. Cars are only hand sprayed at Carrozzeria Zanassi if you order an out of range, historic or special request colour. The orange peel finish is in the clearcoat and is more than likely a result of the drying process. The swirls in the final finish are down to the fact that the cars are machined polished using wool pads in the final preparation area prior to the protective film being applied for transit. The staff doing the polishing do not get anything like the time a professional detailer would spend on the car. That's not an excuse, just an explanation of why some cars end up being worse than others.
     
  6. dr.sb

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    Thank you - I shall inform my dealer as that is what I was told by them. Much appreciated.
     
  7. isuk

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    Perhaps your salesman should watch this ;)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeJbcYvg2qs[/ame]
     
  8. dr.sb

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    Thanks. They probably already know this but were dumbing it down for me I do not know (although I hope not, does not reflect well upon me lol). I shall show the Swindon branch this. Did not raise the question on my factory tour. Thank you again.
     
  9. isuk

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    Just to balance it out this is where the hand painted cars are done. The carbon trim components are also made by Zannassi.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDMAubTG4bQ[/ame]
     
  10. Naplesgolfer

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    Why have they spent all this money on a modern paint line and still not do the little things at the end to ensure a great finish on the car? This can't be a unknown problem by people at Ferrari spa and FNA. These are 250k -350k cars, surely they can spend $500 of labor to finish the car correctly. It just reflects bad on the company.
     
  11. 2k7997tt

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    I am very happy with my paint. I recently used a fluorescent lamp and blacklight to evaluate for imperfections. I found an area of orange peel about the size of an orange seed. Pretty impressive.

    My theory is that Ferrari has a poor reputation on paint finish because people talk about it when there are blemishes. No one (except me) reports that the finish was perfect (or near perfect).
     
  12. ReinD

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    So the question now is, who is the number one Ferrari paint correction specialist in the UK?
     
  13. Traveller

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    From what I have seen so far, I very much suspect it is the enthusiasts at Topaz in Kensington, London but will know for sure soon as they start on my car Monday. Apparently they have handled old Testarossas and GTO's as well as all the current models for HR Owen. I will try and post before and after shots.
     
  14. ReinD

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    The paint job that comes with the car is like...

    - The perfect wedding cake that a flock of birds lands on to take a crap.

    - Perfectly poured and leveled concrete that is trampled by a herd of elephants.

    - The most beautiful virgin bride who on her wedding night discloses that she used to be a man.

    - A bottomless sink hole that develops under your newly constructed $10M home.

    Yeah, the paint job sucks all right - and the factory is not going to do a thing about it. What a shame.
     
  15. rickwjenn

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    #15 rickwjenn, Nov 15, 2012
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    I will vote for the robots here....

    My 2013 is in Rossa Corsa and the paint is FLAWLESS in my view. I have washed, waxed, and detailed it and can find no flaws.

    It is easily equal to new Porsches or BMW (and Hondas :) ) that I have previously owned.

    Guess I am lucky.
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  16. Traveller

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    Could it be more predominant on the metallics rather than the flat colours as in that picture you can see what look like clear straight reflections?
     
  17. dr.sb

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    Did your dealer detail the paintwork for you before delivery or do a super guard or zymol or similar 'protection' on it? Looks very fluid indeed.
     
  18. Rcktrod

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    IMHO, just have the car 3 or 4 step detailed and the finish will be so smooth that it will look wet. I had this done to my 12 coupe (nero daytona) and it was well worth the cost ~ $1,500. I then protected the highly exposed areas with clear bra to keep it that way. Todd is a detail marvel and might know someone in the UK. Congrats on your new baby.
     
  19. Traveller

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    Thanks. Looks like I need a full flatten and repolish of all panels and here in the UK that works out at about $5,000 as it involves about 100 hours of work. Surely the factory could actually spend a little time prepping before applying the clear coat?
     
  20. TheMayor

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    This is the typical Fchat "talk out of both sides of your mouth" thread.

    I'm not blaming the op. He probably has a point.


    However: half of Fchat complains the cars are for posers who never want to take it to a track or play with it hard. What does a Bentley paint on have to do with it being beat to hell? What difference is a little orange peal when you're going 170 mph behind 10 other cars?

    Your cant win either of these arguments.

    I used to say back in the 80's: what you pay for with a Ferrari is the looks, the engine, and the badge (the heritage and history). What you don't pay for is the paint and creature comfort.

    That's still true today. But it's enough for us to love them.
     
  21. Traveller

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    I drive my car hard by any standards but won't track it much as it is a road car. Could not care less if my race car was painted with a brush, but my road car should be better than this and for this price.
     
  22. dr.sb

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    Totally agree. It should be flawless. I have just factored in that cost for detailing in the overall cost of the car, but that should not be the way it is. We do not see that money back and why should it need 'finishing touches' when coming off the truck from the factory. What paint have you got 'Traveller'? ie colour/metallic? Anyone who has ordered white had any issues?
     
  23. Traveller

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    Grigio Titanio which is why I wonder if the issue is confined to metallics?
     
  24. dr.sb

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    Not sure Tim, but I definitely saw a few Rosso and Giallos at the factory and I was not impressed with the final paint quality. Like you said, it should be comparable to Bentley or Aston or Mclaren paint. It sounds like with metallics, because of the nature of the paint, it is probably more apparent. I think the best people to comment on this topic are the detailers (albeit they may be a little biased, but they are the experts too)
     
  25. rickwjenn

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    No - they just detailed it. I came and got it as fast as their service dept checked it out and gave it go-ahead for delivery.

    I bet it is due to Rossa Corsa being a standard color.
     

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