Hi, i was hoping that maybe someone can help me with this, I have a 89 Mondial T. When i turn on the lights the actual lights dont pop up. i can see the lights on through the space but it sometimes takes 10 minutes for them to go up. lino
They are operated by a pair of motors quite similar to the window motors. If both are equally the problem I suspect trouble at the switch or a relay. Check connections (particularly ground wires).
There are two separate relays/fuses and motors for each headlight. If neither headlight motor works, then I would suspect something that is common to both circuits, such as the headlight switch.
Definitley check the switch...my 85 QV had a similar problem. The cap at the end of the handle pops off...There are 2 wires inside that may need to be re-soldered. Be careful when you pop it off. There is a small ball bearing that seats it. Took a few minutes to fix. Verell showed me how to do it.
i will check that this evening. it must be the switch since as mentioned they both dont come out. thanks
Another indication would be that if the exterior parking lights and dash lights don't come "on" when you rotate the knob = almost certainly bad knob switch (but could be the ...006 relay that the switch closes to turn on the parking lights). However, the converse is true too -- if exterior parking lights and dash lights do come "on" when you rotate the knob = not a bad knob switch (and the ...006 relay is the next downstream suspect).
Hi Steve, Yes the dash lights and park lights are on and so are the headlights but the lights don't pop up, so if its not the wires you say it's the relay (006)... Is hat right?
Unfortunately, I don't have a Mondial t wiring diagram, but based on the information in your 553/89 OM, I'd try (in this order): 0. Check that fuse #1 (25A) is OK (do your engine bonnet opening mechaism and fuel filler mechanism work?). 1. a different ...101 relay for relay T (relay for headlamp motor with dipped beam) 2. a different ...101 relay for relay D (relay for headlamp motors) 3. a different ...006 relay for relay O (relay for external lights)
I got in late the only thing I tried was to remove the rubber part at the end of the steering wheel switch, no cap for the t. Maybe it's different on QV. I didn't see any wires, maybe in steering column. Steve II did a few cycles and it worked but then sometimes it didn't work. Could this still be a relay?
Definitely still a possiblity (but intermittently working does rule out a blown fuse #1 as the problem). (Don't worry about the knob switch -- if the exterior parking lights and the dash lights come "on" and stay "on", the knob switch is working fine.)
Ok now the dumb question, how might I go about testing the relay and if its no good can we get these relays?
Easiest way is just to swap in another relay. Some of these units can be not so cheap (even tough to find quickly), so if you don't want to buy a new one --- certainly a waste of money if it turns out not to be the problem --- use an identical relay (look for matching p/n's) from another circuit on the car. Obviously, you want to select a relay from a circuit / system which you know to be in good working order (so you confirmed that relay is also "good"), and a system that is not critical to anything the car needs when the ignition key is switched "on". As Tim said, the HL lift motors are similar to the window regulator motors --- so, I would have a look at those relays (for the window motors) first to see whether they are a part number match. Part numbers are embossed / stenciled on the exterior of the cases of the relays.
I had a problem with my 355 where one light would work and the other did not, it turned out to be wear in the motor so I had the motor pulled apart and re copper wired and re sealed in a wax type of sealant. I worked fine after that so if all the above fails it may be the motor as if i turned the round knob on top of the headlight motor it worked fine but if I used the stalk it did not. It was something to do with constant stopping in the same place in the wire loom.
