Porsche 911 997 Turbo Cabriolet?

The article says coupe and cabriolet form.

 

They say the new 911 turbo will have almost 500 hp in stock form. Do you guys think it will give the f430 some good competition?

 

as always, it will out grunt the ferrari! porsche is seldom out done w/ the t-bo cars.

 

I was riding my bicycle up Mount Evans in Colorado in late June and I saw Porsche testing 4 997 Turbos. I went to talk to one of the engineers at the top but he wouldn't talk to me - plus I think that he only spoke German, but that could be a ruse. However, there were no Cabriolets. There were also 3 Caymans with (I think) fake convertible tops.

 

I mean 500hp is nice, but in those spy shots that car is kinda of ugly.

 

True. I think the f430 is the turbo's main competition and if you add it up, the new 997 turbo should easily outrun the f430, and the owner will save $70,000 in doing so. I love the car and driver article where they compared a 911 turbo cab, 360 cs, ford gt,etc [see link]. Its funny how the f430 won against a turbo cab when they could have gotten a turbo coupe that would have won the test.

I think that the 997 turbo will be really fast with 500 hp. The gt2 has 493 hp and it has run to 60 in 3.6 seconds and the quarter in 11.8 in some tests. Just think how fast the gt2 will be when it comes out. I'm thinking the 997 gt2 will run about 50 more horsepower, and run in the low 3's to 60 and the mid 11's at the strip. Low 3's to 60 and mid 11's in the quarter are supercar numbers and can almost match the almighty Enzo and Carrera GT,and with small mods you can get 50-100 more horsepower out of a 911 turbo, unlike a ferrari where it would cost you double the price just to get 40 more hp. In my opinion i would rather spend $200,000 on a 997 gt2 than a F430 that can only run 4.0/12.0, when you can buy a viper that will outrun those times at only $80,000.




http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=9743&page_number=1

 

C'mon now..... the 911 turbo will not "easily" outrun a F430. You can quote 0-60 times all day long and the Porsche will always have an advantage due to the awd. BTW 50 hp will not get you 3-4 tenths in the quarter when you are already into the elevens. I have owned a 500 hp 996 turbo, murcielago, 360, and a 825 rwhp Viper but have yet to drive the 430. Looking at the numbers and times the F430 is putting down, it will not be an easy victory for the 997 turbo.

 

i have a hot 930 ...now w/ efi too...anyway, i really look forward to the 997 turbo gt-2. it is a car i will likely get to park next to my ferraris and 930.

i think it will look great as well...i will hope for big wide fenders a la 930!!

 

a 500 hp 996 is virtually unmodified...a chip, filter and pipe. but w/ a real 500 ponies, i suspect there was precious little that would out gun you. as a 996 owner, you know what turbo upgrades will yield...i think the 997 t-bo will be the source of alot of 430 heart break!!

 

A stock 996 turbo will run the same exact times as a F430. So i think that when you add in 50 more hp, the quicker shifting tranny,upgraded awd system,and the lighter drivetrain that the 997 has(lighter clutch,flywheel and half shafts),you'll probably see the 997 turbo a half second quicker than the f430 just like the gt2 is now. Even if you took the awd system out you would run about the same times due to the 100-200 pounds you lost in removeing the awd. For example the 993 turbo "S" was rear wheel drive and it ran faster than the 993 turbo with the awd system.

So if you look at it,the 997 turbo will be just like the 996 gt2, but will have a lighter rotational mass in the drivetrain,a quicker gearbox, and the awd system will be upgraded. So that is how i came to that conclusion. Even half of a second is a good amount of time in the quarter mile.

But when the 997 gt2 comes out with 50 more hp,and put on a diet,than it should run in the low 3's and low to middle 11's. So with a gt2 you'll run about 6-7 tenths faster to 60 and about half a second quicker in the quarter mile. Lol just think if the porsche had a automatic transmission just like the Ferrari. The gt2 would probably shave a tenth or two if it had the same system that the gt3 race cars have.

 

That might be true 0-60 or thereabouts; but that's pretty narrow. A 996 TT has tremendous early "woosh" compared to a 360 or 430 (I've owned both P-cars & F-cars), but the 996 TT feels sluggish and heavy compared to a 360 CS (my current car). In everything except a drag race, a 996 GT3 is better than a 996 TT. A 997 TT will have 45 more HP (460 touted in most places these days for the 997 TT vs 415 for the 996 TT) add the PASM of the 997 S as standard feature of the 997 TT, which improved the 997 S times significantly on the track. But it will stil have the AWD and the weight against it.

I'm looking forward more to the 997 GT3 than the 997 TT as a 430 killer.

 

I agree. I can't wait to see the comparison between the two. I own a 996 turbo and i've driven the new ferrari and i think they both seem very even to me. The problem with the turbo is that the balance is a little off front to back so it feels like it wants to get away from you but the awd seems to reduce that a lot. I think the turbo could out run the ferrari on a track just because of its straight line speed and its launch off the corners with the awd system. I'm sure they've tested a 360 vs a 911 turbo.

 

You have a 968 (super cool car), a GT2, and a 996 Turbo? BTW, we have a couple of guys on the forum here who are agents for pro athletes (mostly NFL players) and celebrities (mostly musicians), too. Maybe you guys can do some deals together. Who are some of your clients?

 

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PORSCHE968TS - BTW, I'm curious about your 968 and GT2. You say in your profile that the 968TS is a clone? What was the starting point and why didn't you just get an original? Also when you say you have a 996 turbo, are you referring to the GT2 or yet another car (not listed in your profile)? Thanks for any clarification.

 

Maybe because there's only 15 of them?

 

Thanks. I hadn't realized there were so few. Sounds like a 914/6-GT of it's era. Still interested in what he started with. Also any idea what the last 968TS may have transacted at (if ever)?

 

I have a 968 and a gt2. I put i had a 996 turbo so people would no which one i was talking about. Well i can't give you the names of my clients but i can tell you where you can see them. Most of my clients play for the Cleveland Browns/Indians due to my location. Outside of cleveland ,some of my clients are from indycar,champ car,nascar,and the pga and lpga tour.

 

The starting point for mine was a 1995 968 with 56,000 miles that was in great condition. The main reason why i didn't get an original turbo "S" was because i wanted to go out and have fun, and not have to worry about hurting an original turbo, which just finding one would have been very difficult.

Porsche made 16 968 turbo's. They made two prototypes and 14 production cars. The last i heard was that two cars have been lost due to racing accidents, so their are only 14 cars left. Believe me if i could find one for sale, i would jump on it in a heart beat.

 

The reason why porsche never really went into production(968T was built by porsche's racing program) with the 968 turbo was because it could outrun and out handle a 911 turbo for less money. Its hard to believe that a three litre turbo could outrun a 911 turbo. Most people don't know that the 968 was named the best handling car in the world in 1992 by major magazines. Just look at the amazing specs..remember its 92-93

Acceleration (0-60 mph) 4.5-4.9 seconds
Acceleration (1/4 mile) 13.0 seconds @ 112 mph
Top track speed 175+ mph
Curb weight 2865 lbs.
Fuel consumption 15 mpg city; 23 mpg highway
http://968.net/techspecs/turbos.htm

So just think of what you could do with one now with all the aftermarket goodies. I've seen modified 944 turbo's(968 turbo has a 3.0 944 turbo motor) run in the 3's to 60 and high 11's with a lightly modified 951. Thats impressive out of a 4 cylinder turbo. When a low volume porsche is sold their is a record kept so that porsche can keep track of the vehicles. Amazingly only one 968 turbo was ever sold to a second owner, and it sold for $90,000. Thats a good amount of money but it is the best(fastest) of the front engine porsche's.