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Porsche as a daily driver?

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  1. dizztro

    dizztro Karting

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    Got a few questions for the forum, think this might be the right section to post it in. I had my mind set on a 2001-2005 911 GT2, but I was also checkin out the 2001 911 Twin Turbo. Now whats the difference in those specific models? Mind you I know a lot less about Porsche then any other car manufacturer at the moment.

    I was also wondering would the Porsche have a difficult time of being a daily driver? Say (roughly) 80+ miles a week? Also, what are some of the other fixed expenses, such as oil changes, gas (T.T) and brake jobs for either one of these models.

    Last but not least, if anyone could recommend another car within that price range that would be as quick as the Porsche, but also not be fissy about being a daily driver, let me know.

    Thanks in advance for the replys
     
  2. ghost

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    Porsche's can be used as a daily driver. The 996 (prior) / 997 (current) generation of Porsches are one of the best-made, best-looking, performance-oriented cars out there.

    The GT2 and the TT, while both very powerful, are very different animals - do your homework on each. The GT2 is a very raw, rugged beast that has gobs of power and handles like its on rails. The TT is also a mean car, but a step down in terms of ruggedness, as it tries to balance that out with everyday comfort and driveability.

    Both are built to perform. Both can be driven on a regular basis. "whart" recently traded his Black GT2 in after having put a number of miles on it - I'm sure he'll weigh in here.

    Build quality is very high, and consequently maintenance costs are extremely low for Porsches. For the TT, the first major tune-up is at 15K followed by the 30K. Each one should cost no more than 1K. Amazingly, I understand the Carrera GT - a true supercar - has the same service schedule.

    Good luck with your decision. You can't go wrong with either. If it were me, and I had another daily driver, I'd take the GT2 in a heartbeat.
     
  3. dizztro

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    Thank you ghost, you cleared a lot of questions that I had right up. Another thing I just forgot to ask was does the GT2 come with Turbos also or no? So far every ad I have seen in DuPontRegistry, or on forums for that matter, have the 2002 911 GT2 listed as "Twin Turbo" or just "Turbo". Could this be a fault on their behalf?

    The reason i'm not such a turbo nut is I have read Turbos giving problems and having to get fixed which is not the reason for buying a car in the first place, to have it sit in a shop getting repaired.

    Again, thanks ghost for the immediate response.
     
  4. Tspringer

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    Drive each and see which one you prefer.

    As for being good as a daily driver, I am positive you would have no worries at all with either. Porsche builds solid cars, you can beat the crap out of them and they never hiccup. For me, thats always been one of the biggest appeals of the marque. Rugged and well built but also realitively light and fast.


    Terry
     
  5. Tenney

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    GT2'd by my pick (though not a ton 'o clearance in front).
     
  6. whart

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    The suspension in the GT2 is rock hard, the car has very little front clearance (what that means is that you'll keep replacing plastic front valences which as I recall sell for about $300 (i used to carry a spare with me, just so you get the idea)), and has no driver assists to get you out of trouble. It also has a very disappointing interior for a 200k car. At the price of a used car, it is a huge amount of performance, and i had very few troubles with mine.
    The car is almost track ready, out of the box, but if you put in the GT3 seats, a Porsche rollbar to stiffen the car and protect you and change the exhaust, you will change the feel of the car even more. The stock exhaust is very restrictive, and changing it to a freer flowing exhaust makes a huge difference, not just in power, but in how quickly the boost comes on. I am not a big fan of turbo cars, and even though many folks have told me that they thought the GT2 had very little turbo lag, i thought otherwise. You put your foot down, and beat, beat, be-a WHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSROZZZM!, car goes from 911 Porsche, quick but no big deal, to insane. If you are able to get into the boost earlier, there is less of a binary "on/off" quality to the motive force of the car.
    As to the differences, go search 6speedonline. Many folks have bought TT with the idea of upgrading them to GT2 levels, but the cost of doing that is stupid, and given the depressed price of a GT2, it makes no sense whatsoever.
    Some folks like the option of AWD- frankly, one of the fun things about the GT2 was the ability to steer with the throttle- the car was pretty predictable, once you got used to the binary quality i mentioned above. Oh, did i mention it was really fast? You can street race this car like no other i've owned (and that includes a bunch of Ferraris, and currently, a 12 cyl. Lambo).
    The Porsche can take abuse, is well built, can be parked almost anywhere without worry and most people think- oh, there's just another Porsche 911 with a wing. Those who know acknowledge the huge street cred of this car.
    Yes, you could use it as a daily if you are careful in the rain- it gets very squirrely cause it can put down alot of power- and you don't bother with the racing seats, and exhaust. (If you do those mods, the car becomes less comfortable to get in and out of, and is noisy as hell). Good luck. I'd rather a GT2 over a regular 996 Turbo if you need my opinion, fwiw.
    Because I'm a nice guy, i did a quick search for one of these threads, comparing the GT2 to the 996TT. Here it is: http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20664&highlight=turbo+v+GT2
     
  7. ferraripanoz

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    If you were to get the 911 TT and not a GT2, I would get one with the X50 package in it. The reason I say this is that for a daily driver you get the AWD and you get power and performance that is really close to the GT2 for less money.
     
  8. dizztro

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    Tenney and Tspringer, thanks for the input and I will definetly take both thoughts into consideration.

    whart, greatly apprechiate you taking the time to write all that out and the finding that link. Although I didn't focus much on the interior styling of the car when choosing it as a car to purchase, that definetly is something that just can't be ignored. Is it really that bad? I mean, I have heard few reports about it destroying the car as a whole but can't imagine it on that level.
    Also, I agree with you completely on the turbo factor, I never did really enjoy a car knowing that turbos were helping it performance wise rather than just the engines ability. In the back of my mind i'm always thinking, "What would this car be without Turbos". The price doesn't bother me as much if I know the car is actually worth it, and it seems a lot of people had positive things to say about the car which is all I needed to hear.
    Also, about the rollcage and whatnot, i'm not into modding cars I prefer to drive as it is to experience what the car is actually capable of and what its not. By understanding its limits I can have as much fun knowing how much to push the car rather than just adjusting it to suit my needs. Only thing that needs adjusting is the seat into a proper position, then flight 911 is ready for take off.
     
  9. dizztro

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    ferraripanoz, Why would I do that when I actually have the option to buy the GT2. Then instead of owning something
    I can own the GT2? Who needs AWD, are we going off-roading?
     
  10. ferraripanoz

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    With AWD it gets the power to the ground more evenly, rather then having two tires delivering the power and having loss of traction.(Not saying that the AWD will not have loss of traction, it will just put the power more on the road) But either Porsche is a great choice and have there own unqiue features.
     
  11. gougoul

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    Either car can be used as a daily driver.
    Early GT2s were quite a beast to drive at the limit, and the brakes had problems (most were retro fitted with steel brakes).
    However, the car looks IMO so much better than the regular TT.
    However, it's still far from subtle and you have zillions of them (at least around Geneva), so i got a Maranello instead.
    Maybe not as quick as a GT2, but a better package allround.
     
  12. whart

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    one other thought- before you buy- Watt, on this board, has owned at least 3 GT2s and as far as i know, prefers the 360 CS. Given some of the things you have to tolerate with a GT2, i'm not sure that the CS is that much more difficult as a daily. Just a thought. BTW, i would never buy the GT2 new- it is already a bargain slightly used.
     
  13. Carlo_Costache ancora

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    The 360CS, im not sure I could deal with as a daily driver... too noisey, too loud of an appearance. The GT3RS is the best GT street car Porsche has made, recently... If you say you can drive a Stradale daily, then a GT3RS should be just as capable... If you look at the 360CS, please have a look at the GT3RS first, or even regular GT3. I know a few who have GT3s as daily cars and they are happy. Not too expensive, very fast, minimal hassle... But the GT2 seems to be you either want it or you dont, sort of deal.
    Anyway, the GT3RS, in my opinion is the best choice, if you are also considering a 360CS.... If you are not considering a 360CS, then dont consider the GT3RS, because frankly I dont see either as daily drivers and therefore, you should look at the GT3. The M3CSL would be a respectible choice, but it is actually less practical than the GT3 itself.... no A/C, too much lightweight material.... tires only good in dry conditions... So have a look at a GT3 before settling for any other choice.
     
  14. scycle2020

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    the 996 tt is the better daily driver...better in bad weather, more easy to control, higher ground clearance, and it will cost 40-60k less used.......the gt2 is an exotic beast of a car....very fun to drive, but not as practical as the tt.....also consider the gt3, while not as fast the gt2, is na and just as visceral an experience and much less expensive...
     
  15. arnaget

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    to address this portion of your question (because I didn't see it addressed yet in the replies), both the 996 twin turbo and the GT2 are turbocharged. it's not a misnomer to call the GT2 a twin-turbo, because it does have twin turbos. but typically, one would just refer to the GT2 as "GT2." the GT2 has slightly larger turbochargers. i believe the factory performance upgrade (option X50) for the 996 turbo gives it the same turbos that the GT2 has (K24s), for a boost from 415 to 450 hp. this was a $17k package back at the time, but is now included on all "turbo S" models. that said, the two will still handle very differently, based on what i understand and have read (i have yet to be fortunate enough to ride in or drive either of them =*( ) Turbo comes with a "save-your-ass-before-things-get-squirrelly" system called PSM (porsche stability management). lots of people who do track the turbo swear by it--though it may be considered "cheating" by the hardcore types. gT2 has none of this.
     
  16. ty (360mode)

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    i would take it a step further and say the gt3 is MORE visceral than the 2 being N/A - but i'm biased and not a fan of turbos. had an '03TT and it was exciting for about 3 days. my G55 had more soul :) i would rather have slower, N/A and exciting than faster, turbo and kinda boring. but if you just want something fast and practical, the TT is certainly those things.
     
  17. ty (360mode)

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    ... and no PSM on the 3 either...
     
  18. scycle2020

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    agreed,the 996 tt while fast,feels somewhat sterile...this is also a function of 4wd, which decreases steering feel in some cars..also, the tt is too quiet and refined...great for a daily cruiser, but not very sports car like...still a great car...
     
  19. dizztro

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    Thanks everybody, scycle2020, ty, arnaget, Carlo_Costache ancora, gougoul, and whart again. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier seems like my router took a turn for the worst and internet was down for quite some time.
    I will have to look into the GT3 as some of you mentioned, but as for the 360CS that car is indeed loud in appearance as Carlo_Costache stated, and problems in the past with people defacing my other cars just pushes me away from the idea of owning a Ferrari at all.
    As of the moment the TT is not a factor anymore because I don't intend to invest money to boost up the performance to the GT2's level, when the GT2 is ready as-is to be driven.

    gougoul: nice choice on the Maranello. Spectacular car indeed and its hard to buy a Porsche when Ferrari is definetly an option. :)

    whart: The 360CS is a one of a kind. But the Porsche caught my attention more because after owning and driving a few BMWs such as the M3 and Z Roadster, I directed my attention towards Porsche to see what IT was capable of in comparision to the Bemmers.

    Again, I will have to look more into the GT3 vs GT2 ordeal, but the main focus is on getting a car as young as possible for minimal problems.

    ty: Not having PSM is not a major concern, because to me its all about adapting to the car. Although I have heard a lot of praises regarding the GT3 in comparison to the GT2, I guess its all a matter of preferences.

    I do apprechiate everyone responding and truly learned an enourmous amount from this thread.
     
  20. whart

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    You are welcome. Good luck. I've also owned two 550s and have direct experience living with both in comparision to the GT2.
     
  21. Dino Martini

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    I know this is kind of besides the point, but on the GT2 dont break rotors cost like 5k each or something like that?
     
  22. dizztro

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    What, how were those 550's in comparison; Acceleration?/Top Speed?/ Overall performance and luxury?

    Can anyone verify what Dino Martini had said? I wouldn't be surprised if rotors do go for that much.

    Thanks again.
     
  23. spike308

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    Quick hijack, 911 guys....
    Any good web sites comparing the various 911 runs, e.g 964 vs 993?
    Think I can convince the wife we need a 911!
    thanks!
     
  24. dizztro

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    spike308, so far I came up with this link which compares Ferrari Vs. Porsche. Going to continue googling until somethin useful comes up, hope it helps atleast.
    http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=52&i=9840

    Edit: Found this link now also, should do the trick, but the previous link is pretty interesting also. http://www.sportscarguides.com/porsche/
    Good luck with the wife and hope everything works out, lifes too short to pass up such a chance.
     
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