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360 "Porsche" Bosch throttle body (0280750474) replacement for Challenge Stradale and 360

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  1. collegeboy

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    I feel like this needs to be a more known thing for owners out there.

    Also, all credit for this modification goes to @eric355 and @EastMemphis . They are the ones that have done this before and helped me figure it out.

    Long story short, the throttle bodies on the CS and 360 are the same. They are also hard to get and are currently around $2,400 each, or $4,800 a pair. They are a part on these cars that can completely fail over time, and even if they don't fail, tests have been shown that the 20-year-old units in all of our cars are slower than they were when new.

    With all that said, an identical Bosch throttle body inside and out (except for one thing) is available all over the internet, and it costs about $150 each, or $300 a pair. Crazy cheap. It is used on many Porsche models over many and will be around forever because of that. The one thing that is different on them is that they do not have the oil vapor line going into them. So basically, you are paying $4,500 for an oil vapor line on your two Ferrari Bosch throttle bodies.

    There are several fixes for this.

    #1 You can swap over the electronic bits from your Porsche Bosch throttle body to your Ferrari Bosch throttle body. I was personally not comfortable with that, and I also wanted to replace the entire unit since my throttle bodies are not failing. I'm more doing this to preserve them and wanted to be able to remove my factory rare and expensive units and box them up safely in storage.

    #2 You can buy an excellent hose kit that @EastMemphis makes and sells that puts the oil vapor intake in the air hose instead. It's a nice-looking kit.

    #3 What I did. You can use factory Ferrari F430 parts and it installs looking factory. I also liked this option as I do have plans of a custom intake manifold with F430 throttle bodies on it, so when that happens, I can at least still just use all these parts. Easy easy easy...

    In order to do #3, you need the following.

    -2 factory Ferrari non-US spec F430 air intake hoses flipped in reverse
    -2 factory Ferrari non-US spec F430 oil vapor hoses that go to the intake pipes
    -4 factory Ferrari spec F430 MAF ottinger clamps
    -2 metal barb 3/8 to 1/2 hose adapters
    -About 18” of 1/2 fuel hose
    -2 ottinger clamps for the 3/8 hose (factory Ferrari oil vapor hoses)
    -4 ottinger clamps for the 1/2 hose going from the adapters to the disareator.

    That’s it! Looks factory, and works like a charm. I just got done driving my call for over an hour this morning and then an hour tonight bouncing it off redline a few times, and it runs, drives, and idles great.

    One last thing, you do need CS MAFs for this to work as they are larger. Maybe 360 MAFs would work, but they are a little small, and I have no way to test that. Even then, the CS MAFs and a @360trev tune are STILL cheaper than two new factory throttle bodies. Crazy.

    Hope this helps someone out there! You can fix your broken car for way cheaper, or like me, you can save your expensive rare original ones and use super cheap and identical replacements instead.

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  2. veilstylez

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    This is great info!
    Are F430 throttle bodies expensive too?
     
  3. collegeboy

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    They are at least reasonable. I think from Ferrari they are like $600 and from Bosch (same exact part, different box) they are like $400.
     
  4. veilstylez

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    no kidding...why is it so expensive for 360's thats crazy
     
  5. collegeboy

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    Well clearly those oil vapor metal pipes are made of a gold-meteorite blend material.
     
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  6. EastMemphis

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    What makes the 360 ones so expensive is they are the only versions with the oil vapor line running directly into the throttle body. That makes them unique. Add to that the low numbers of cars involved, and the age of the units. It was inevitable that they would skyrocket in price and disappear from the world of parts.

    When I got my 360, the price for one of these units new from Ricambia was about $1700. Now, you can't buy them new at any price. Those that are being sold as new are likely just cleaned up and recovered units.

    The rebuild option is generally the best as it restores the TB to like new, and preserves the originality of the car. It's been done by people all over the world successfully. If you have a TB issue, I suggest doing that first. For $300, and some easy work, you can refresh your aged TB's back to original functionality.

    The upgrade to the 430 units is an interesting idea, but it requires a lot of additional changes, all of which might be a turn off to a prospective buyer in the future. I'm running on my kit and have saved my original units, which were functional when I removed them, for posterity.
     
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  7. L1MTD

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    This is fantastic, thank you!

    Maybe I missed it but @EastMemphis is there a write up on swapping the electronics as you mention, that can be linked in this thread to keep it all in once place?

    Also, is it a good idea to proactively do this on your 360 BEFORE they inevitably fail?
     
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  8. clean512

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    Well done
     
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  9. sierra055

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    Great info here and thanks for sharing! I can see from photos that you're running an aftermarket air filter cover. Pretty sure the factory cover won't mount to the F430 MAF right?
     
  10. tomw

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    Excellent info, thanks! Love stuff like this.
     
  11. collegeboy

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    it’s a factory Challenge Stradale air filter cover.
     
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  12. 360trev

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    Correct, the F430 / CS air flow meters are wider diameter than stock Modena ones, CS are 84mm Vs Modena with 80mm.

    So to make these compatible you need a spacer ring which sits snug around the 80mm diameter of the original Modena air flow meters and is 4mm thick.
     
  13. sierra055

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    Thanks Trev. I'm still looking to upgrade mine so we can tweak your tune a little more :D
     
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    Trev: Is someone making these spacer rings? By using the slightly larger air flow meters would a 360 owner actually feel a real difference? Thanks
     
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  15. collegeboy

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    It’s worth trying it by just clamping the intake boots down more. The F430 throttle bodies are HUGE compared to the 360/CS units, so you already have to flips the F430 intake pipes like I mentioned in my post, so they are no as large for the throttle bodies. They are then a little large for the CS MAFs on their side. Once tightened down though, can you tell in my pictures? No. And they are sealed up. An additional 4mm might be possible, or might now, but it is worth a try for free. Just buy the proper size clamps. If it doesn’t work, then buy spacers or make the change to CS MAFs. Just my opinion.
     
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  16. Jaymac

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    I just like that we have 3 viable options now. Whether you want to stay stock, or prepare for future upgrades. I’m also interested in seeing a DIY for swapping the electronic guts.
     
  17. EastMemphis

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    I'm more a writer than a talker, so I made a write up of the process.

    https://www.ferrari360.org/2020/07/bosch-throttle-body-replacement.html

    It's more than just the rebuild so you'll have to wade through a lot of useless nonsense to find the useful stuff. Maybe someone will make a video.

    (I also have a novel or two on Amazon)
     
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  18. 360chrisT

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    I have just bought the porsche throttle bodies for a proactive change as to help mitigate the possibility of future ecu failure. After seeing someone used the 430 boots with takeoff I bought some but never realised the 430 TB was larger and I have standard maf so they are too big so sent them back.
    I now have another neat solution that I will post pics of when it's complete if anyone is interested, but what it entails is fitting a new hose from the nipple on the top of the oil tank and instead of going to TB there is an M18 blank on each side just under where the TB goes into the plenum so I'm going to fit a hose tail to each side to a tee then to oil tank.
     

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  19. EastMemphis

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    One thing that might be relevant is the vent is normally on the MAF side of the butterfly valve in the TB. There's a higher vacuum on the inside of the manifold vs. the MAF side of the TB butterfly valve. I thought about that when I designed my kit and decided that the engineers at Ferrari may have put the vent in that position for a reason. The 430 also has the vent on the MAF side, along with countless other engines.

    It may not make a difference, but it just might.
     
  20. 360chrisT

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    I did have that in my mind and am still toying with ideas, if I think there will be to high a vacuum on the breather I will come up with another solution to mount it on upstream of the TB, won't be fitting them untill I service it in a few weeks so just playing with ideas at the moment.
     
  21. 360chrisT

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    On thinking about it after remembering working on my old yank cars pcv systems many years ago my plan won't work as it will effect the idle and will cause to much vacuum in the line and try suck oil through so I'll come up with another solution.
     
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