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Porsche driver being a political handicap?

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  1. tifosi12

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    #1 tifosi12, Sep 18, 2010
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    Since this is not P&R, lets not go too far with the political side of this, but I posted it here since it is a local election only:

    There is currently a negative ad campaign on TV where the biggest "flaws of character" of the candidate are that he has a Porsche and a condo in Florida.

    I don't even know whether the candidate is GOP or Dem, nor do I care, but if those two things are the biggest "negatives" on a candidate, I'd say the guy has a clean sheet. In fact it sounds like his opposition is trying way too hard and this really is an ad for the guy. :)

    Used Porsches can be picked up for a few thousand bucks and FL condos can be bought these days for as little as 25k. And anybody who endured a Chicago winter probably has thought about or bought a condo in FL.

    Imagine the guy owning a 308. He'd be dead meat in the election! :)
     
  2. JohnnyS

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    Just think how one could use the market value of the 308 to their advantage. Most people think a Ferrari, any Ferrari is $100K+. Just like the Porsche, use the market value of the car and show how it stacks up against a new Ford F150, Ford Explorer, Chev. Suburban, or the recent classic 69’ Trans Am where the owner turned down $1.1 MM at auction for it. That would show the public a thing or two about perceptions and how they can be way off base.

    I agree, when the kind of car one drives is called in question for any reason, is a very sad day for all car enthusiasts.
     
  3. tifosi12

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    Good point.

    I could understand the argument if we'd be talking a really flamboyant exotic, but a Porsche? Unless it is the CGT they're about as middle of the road as a Beemer, Merc or Lexus.
     
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    The candidate (not that you asked) is the Republican running for the governor's office here in Illinois (where our governors always serve two terms, one of which they are elected to.) It was brought up (although I didn't know ads were running to this effect) by the incumbent governor, the Democrat who was the lieutenant governor when our favorite son, Rod Blagojevich, was impeached.
     
  5. JP365

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    While not trying to make this a P & R issue it is a PR issue. I know several people on this forum will misunderstand my point as being an attack on Brady. It is not. The spirit of the ad is, “If you own a Porsche you are out of touch with the working poor.” Right, wrong, or otherwise, I’m actually surprised we haven’t seen more of these ads. I don't like ads that attack an individual’s wealth and how he or she chooses to spend it. That said, when you choose to enter politics you choose to live by the rules of public opinion. It isn't fair but it is the truth. If you are in politics and own an exotic it will be a public relations nightmare. If you own a "domestic exotic" you get a pass and are perceived as a patriot and an enthusiast. Everyone who owns an older Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati, etc... knows it is a double standard but that is the way the public perceives it. VP Joe Biden is the original owner of a 1967 Corvette which is easily worth more than most Porsches, Ferraris, etc... no one gives him flack (nor should they) because it is an American car. As stated earlier, it is a sad state of affairs for car enthusiasts. We can try to reason with the luddites all we want; however, it rarely changes their opinions
     
  6. LGAFF1

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    Wouldn't it be terrible to have a Gov that was good with money?

    Seriously, I know the family, they are good people, went to school with his brother who played football at Villinova.....guy could run a damn 4.34 40 yard.
     
  7. GuyIncognito

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    I had a neighbor who used to give me crap about my Porsche, until I pointed out that it cost less (and got better mileage than!) her Expedition Eddie Bauer. :)
     
  8. tifosi12

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    I understand you are explaining the perception. However from a logical perspective this line of agumentation is shot with holes: There are American cars built in Mexico and imports built in factories in the States by Americans. And as GuyIncognito points out many American cars (particularly those ungodly SUVs, hi John!) cost a lot more than an "exotic", particularly when that "exotic" was bought 2nd hand.

    Again I have to say if owning a Porsche and a FL condo is all the "dirt" the opposition can find on a candidate, to me that means that candidate has no skeletons in the closet and this ad really is an ad for that person. :)
     
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    I had the same line of thought....
     
  10. speed racer

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    I saw the ad for the first time last night. The entire ad reeks of desperation and hitting below the belt. Any politician low enough to authorize an ad like that is not someone I would be interested in voting for.
     
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    #11 F1tommy, Sep 19, 2010
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    I think I would add his gas guzzling Porsche as a plus. Better than the NIMBY make everything green candidates who pretend they love the environment and then show up in their 3 ton SUV.

    Florida condo+Porsche.....Heaven :)
     
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    Politics is all about image..
     
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    I was thinking about what a candidate could say, who gets "caught" with his Ferrari: Granted the purchase price money went straight to Italy, but:

    - many Ferraris are bought 2nd hand and that money went to the local economy, Ferrari is even different/better in that way than most cars as the models maintain their value better
    - Ferrari maintenance costs are a lot higher/more frequent than those on traditional modern cars with bumper-to-bumper warranties, ergo the maintenance $$$ feed also (mostly) into the local economy

    In short: Driving a preowned Ferrari is akin to a private stimulus package! :)
     
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    I went to grad school with one of Mitt Romney's sons. We were talking about cars one day and I asked what Mitt drove, since he's worth a few hundred million I figured he would have something fancy. Nothing special, but he said his dad was really excited to get the new Mustang GT convertible (this was ~2006), once he was out of office. They already have a bunch of property, but can't get a $35k car?

    "Why can't your dad just get a Mustang now? It's American, and not that extravagant. Colin Powell and others drive Corvettes." He said his Dad was aware that as governor people would be all in his business, and any obvious toy like that would be fodder against him.
     
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    Ferrari is owned by FIAT which is tied with Chrysler a good ol' American company. When you buy a 599GTO it's helping create several jobs for Chrysler.
     
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    But can he drive it?
    It amazes me these ads pitting the proletariat against the so called wealthy can be effective. Sad.
    I'd rather have a humble politician than one with humble transportation.
    Our president reportedly had a Hemi 300c.
     
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    so let's all vote for Brady then this is a big plus imo

    it's funny how many people point to politicians for not being patriotic and driving American cars but if he was driving a Prius and a liberal at the same time- then he'd be considered a genius
     
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    It's funny but since I started this thread I haven't seen the ad anymore. Maybe they realized how dumb it was?

    Now the negative ad is simply stating that he is a millionaire. Uh, oh, can't trust a politician with THAT kind of money.

    Pretty pathetic.
     
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    #19 JP365, Sep 30, 2010
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    As I said before Andreas, the ads are not about logic they are about perception. I don't think they killed the Porsche ad because it wasn't working; rather, it is probably time for the next in the series. My guess is that each new ad will find some new area of his character to attack. This is pretty much a text book ad hominem ad. If you are familiar with Tony Schwartz' work ,you'll see Quinn's ads are actually doing what they are meant to do...get us to keep mentioning it. All they care about is perception.
    This post isn't meant as a rant or an attack. I like the fact that these ads have gotten people talking about image and substance; however, I just don't think we should give this ad campaign legs.
    Two classic political ads that I hope you enjoy :)
    If you're not familiar with Schwartz' work, he did the "daisy girl ad" for Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExjDzDsgbww

    Hal Riney's "Bear ad" for Reagan is also a classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
     
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