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  1. martin-uk

    martin-uk Karting

    Feb 24, 2007
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    hi i have a mondial 30L qv,changed plugs and leads,now its running on all 8 (not just seven) checked compressions(between 175 190) all good, but when you floor it the noise you get is just the air filter box pulling in air but no go just noise, but if you floor it slowly you get good acceleration but only up to 4500rpm , then it just struggles, when reving engine stationary it gets up to 4500 rpm ,but then splutters as if its a ignition fault,i have cleaned all pick ups on dissy,s and rotors,i have also noticed the fuel tank is pressureized when taking the filler cap off ? not vacuuming, any guidance would be great,thanks
     
  2. Ken

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    Sounds exactly like a fuel delivery problem. I had that twice on my car. Once was a clogged fuel line. It would rev to redline at idle but no go over 4k RPMs when driving. Replacing the lines solved the problem.

    The other time was when I connected my gas tanks vacuum line for emissions. The charcoal canister was clogged (which is why the PO disconnected it no doubt!) and the car would run to 4k RPMs, almost die, come back, almost die....I drove home 10 miles this way but made it. When I took a gas cap off I realized there was a vacuum in the tank, and realized I had caused this issue myself when I reconnected the emissions.

    In your case, I'd clean/replace fuel line, fuel filter and make sure the fuel pump is working. You also have lots of stuff I know nothing about, like the fuel accumulater. Have a mechanic check it out if you're not inclined to poke around yourself.

    Ken
     
  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Ken's right should not build vaccum in the tanks.....also confirm fuel pump output........

    You're making progress, hang in there...
     
  4. martin-uk

    martin-uk Karting

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    thanks guys i will check then out tomorow,since i did my circuit board,(took apart and resoldered all the lamanated sheets back together the electrics are spot on) just the engine to sort, and some suspension bushes to replace, the fuel tanks pressurizing is a bit of a worry ! its not a vacuum, its pressurizing almost blows the cap off when i unscrew it ?
     
  5. martin-uk

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    has no one had these problems before ?
     
  6. Ken

    Ken F1 World Champ

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    I have never heard of gas tanks increasing in pressure except on a hot day when they're half full. You get that "woosh" when you take the cap off. Are you suggesting somehow you're getting pressure that's not just this vapor pressure? If so, it has to be coming through the vent lines but I can't imagine how that could happen.

    Ken
     
  7. racespecferrari

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    Mine does exactly the same, there was a thread on here a little while ago and all said exactly the same thing.
     
  8. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Are you bringing this MondialQV out from an extended period of relative disuse? I don't want to be alarmist, but K/KE-Jet doesn't suffer storage well (i.e., fuel deposits/crude formed during storage have plenty of close-fitting places to get lodged when you start re-using). Can you give a little background?

    The usual strategy for these types of problems is to rule the ignition in or out -- if the ignition is OK, then it becomes a fuel delivery project as Ken indicated.

    PS Please put your year/model/version in your Profile

    PPS Your standard/Euro 1983 MondialQV doesn't have a true fuel evaporation control system with a charcoal filter, but it has an unvented fuel filler cap and all air into and out of the tank is controlled by a 2-way? "ventilation valve" so some amount of positive pressure occurring sometimes is probably normal. My guess would be, if the pressure became too high, the ventilation valve would open.
     
  9. martin-uk

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    thanks for your input guys,no not been stored,the guyi bought it from never even new it was only running on seven pots,i would like to know if it is fuel or igniton,
     
  10. martin-uk

    martin-uk Karting

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    ive found this as regaurds to the fuel cap pressurizing point,


    Examples Home



    Mechanical Fuel Injection
    As this subject is large and fairly comprehensive it has been broken into the following sections:

    1 Introduction and operational overview 2 The fuel tank
    3 The fuel pump 4 The fuel pump relay
    5 The accumulator 6 The fuel filter
    7 Systems pressure 8 The airflow sensor
    9 The fuel distribution unit 10 The warm up regulator
    11 The cold start injector 12 The auxiliary air valve
    13 The fuel injectors 14 System overview diagram

    NOTE:- whilst working on any fuel system, care and attention should be taken to avoid the petrol coming in contact with any source of ignition, this can include: hot engine components, High Tension (HT) sparks and smoking.


    Introduction
    This form of mechanical fuel injection has been used on the internal combustion engine for many years. Mechanical fuel injection systems first saw light of day at the turn of the century, however the following 100 years has seen the system evolve from a very basic and almost crude fuel delivery system, to the recent mass produced versions of the Bosch K and KE Jetronic. The mechanical fuel injection system has recently been overshadowed by modern electronic injection, which enables the use of lambda closed loop control. The electronically modified Bosch KE also has this capability although it never achieved the popularity of the pure mechanical system.
    This following overview is a brief description of the system.


    Bosch K Jetronic operational overview
    The system may seem very complicated at first, but it can be broken down into specific areas and fault finding is therefore made easier.
    Fuel is delivered from the fuel pump to a metering (or fuel distribution) head and depending on the engine's temperature, the correct amount of fuel is delivered via the injectors to the engine. The injectors on this system spray fuel continuously in a fine atomised spray into the inlet manifold.
    Cold start and the warm-up period are also catered for by a cold start injector and a reduction in the control pressure. The idle speed is increased by the auxiliary air valve.
    The fuel pump will have the ability to provide a huge amount of fuel from the tank of which 99% will be returned. Due to the nature of this system, specialised equipment may be needed.




    The Fuel Tank
    The fuel tank is the obvious place to start in any fuel system explanation - unlike the tanks on early carburetor fuelled engines it is a sealed unit. This allows the natural gassing of the fuel to aid delivery to the pump by slightly pressurising the tank It may be noted that when the filler cap is removed, pressure is heard to escape. Filler caps are no longer vented as previously found.
     
  11. Iain

    Iain F1 Rookie

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    Check all the connections are OK (especially round the coils etc)

    Looks like you have ruled out the HT leads & presumably you inspected the caps & rotors carefully.

    It might be your Kjet metering head is on its way south - that would be expensive to get rebuilt & they do "silt up" with modern fuels going off. Try a bottle of injection cleaner in a fresh tank of gas anyway. Change the fuel filter as well if you don't know when it was last done.

    The other good candidate for the symptoms you describe are the crank sensors - these do fail. There are 3 on on the QV engine I think & you can test them with an ohm meter easily enough I believe. Do a search of the archives & they should tell you what you need to know/test. I don't think they are that expensive to replace

    If its neither of those then you could be into a Digiplex or a coil problem. You should be able to narrow it down to ignition or fuel easy enough with an inductive timing light to start with I would think.

    Only other think I can think of is it could be a failing fuel pump.

    Good luck, let us know how you get on. I'd start with sticking the timing light on it & see what that tells you & then work away from there.

    I.
     

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