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  1. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    So what is a decent price to pay for a PPI on a 348 Spider at an independent shop? I'd assume one hour of shop labor - about $150. How far off am I?
     
  2. VTChris

    VTChris F1 World Champ

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    It should be around $500.
    I can't see any shop anywhere do a PPI properly for anything less this.
    A proper and complete PPI Is alot of work
     
  3. cuneo

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    $350-$500 depending on location, shop notoriety, extent, etc. This is probably true for most performance/exotic cars.
     
  4. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    +2
     
  5. jshiehmd

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    Hello,

    I am also in the midst of purchasing a Ferrari, a 1998 355 F1 Spider. In Austin, Texas I was quoted at least 7-8 hours, at $95/hr, in order to do complete compression check and leak down, along with hooking up to an SD-2 Ferrari computer for diagnostics. It sounds like the F1 transmission requires a more extensive evaluation with the SD-2, therefore adding to the hours. So about $800 for a car with F1. The 348 should be less.

    Another thing they warned me about was in case any spark plug boots were torn in the process of pulling the plugs for the compression/leakdown, it would cost $125 each to replace. I don't know if 348's have fragile boots like that.

    Its with a reputable shop - MooreSpeed - and they sound like they know what they are doing. So I don't mind paying that amount to determine exactly what I'm getting.

    That said, I hope to be part of the Fratelli soon! And thanks to everyone for their informative posts, and sharing their experience and knowledge. It definitely helped me move forward on the 355 model that I've always loved!

    John
     
  6. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    The SD2 tells you % of clutch life that is left. It is also used to calibrate the clutch. :):)


    Perished plug lead boots can happen to any older car, not only Ferraris. They are covering their ass when they told you that. That is a good thing, because it can happen. :):)



    All the best with 355 John. :):)

    Nice 1st post and I hope you enjoy yourself mate. :):)
     
  7. Night life

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    I feel like I know ya my car is coming from Austin as well, Welcome to the 348 Brotherhood and Fratelli 355...:D
     
  8. jshiehmd

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    Thanks guys for the welcome! (I don't mean to hijack this thread) but I'm sure many soon-to-be Ferrari owners are watching threads such as this "PPI" and more info is always better.

    In my case, I found a car I liked (1998 355 F1 Spider), with no "stories", owned by my brother's friend, has been maintained and reasonably driven (18,000 miles), with Tubi, Challenge Grill, and Speedline wheels. I drove the car and it was just awesome, it felt like the car just fit me perfectly, it was just harmony, like it was always meant to be. (didn't get the same from test driving 308's and Testarossa, but its just my personal fit). Car had the typical sticky parts, but I'm not that concerned about it because I know how to fix that now(thanks to you guys).

    Since a major service is due, we are going to have it performed prior to final sale. We negotiated it into the selling price. If I choose not to buy it for some reason, he still wants to have the major done anyway. Much of the major service will include the items to be inspected on the PPI, but I'll have to make sure all the elements of the PPI are performed, including the compression/leakdown, convertible top function, etc. The major was quoted at $6k-$7k, and I'll have to find out what any additional PPI evaluation costs will be in this scenario.

    Also, as an fyi for newbe's, I received quotes for enclosed transport from Austin to Los Angeles for $1300 (DeMoise), and $1391 (InterCity Lines), both are reportedly very reputable companies as I found out from this forum. Lead time for pick-up by transport company is about 1-2 weeks.

    Hopefully I will be able to send 285Ferrari my new registry details (the car is already registered on the site, but in Austin) and I will post the pictures as soon as its officially mine. (sorry I'm new to forum postings, and don't know all the proper etiquette and procedures, probably should have posted a new thread?)

    Thanks again to a great brotherhood! - John
     
  9. potxoli

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    I paid $400
     
  10. Ferrari Fanatic

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    John, the variance in the cost of the 30K are two fold:

    1) Labor rate per hour. It should be a 40 hour job (times per hour rate).

    2) Replacing the timing belt tensioners and water pump add $1,500 ( I am guessing on this one as I had mine done in 2003 when the dollar was not as weak to the Euro).
     
  11. Ferrari Fanatic

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    LOL, ha, ha.

    Yes the $125 per spark plug boot is true...Kind of:

    That is the price for a Ferrari OEM part.

    You can get an entire set from Kingsboro for $150.00 !!!
     
  12. pyroguy

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    My PPI last November was around $500.00 and took most of 1 day to complete.
     
  13. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    I'll rank Robert Rodgers outside of Dallas as the unofficial grand pooba of Ferraris and other italian, and he charges me $75. Then again, I'm just interested in two words: "Good car" or "Bad car".

    Robert can give me either of these two words after about 35 minutes of inspection, and I'm totally comfortable with it.
     
  14. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    I had no idea a full detail & blowjob were included in a PPI. $500?

    WOW.

    They're screwing in a pressure gauge at each spark plug well & writing down the PSI reading.
    They pressurize the coolant system for 15 minutes to see if you've got a leak somewhere.

    Should take about an hour... with instrumentation readily available in the Sears auto parts section. No college degree necessary.

    So why $500? Am I missing something here?
     
  15. bpu699

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    I paid 300$ for a testarossa plus $150 for the leakdown=$450. That was at LFSC, a ferrari dealer...on a 12 cylinder car no less...

    If an oil change is $300...no way a ppi is going to be $150 :).
     
  16. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    That is at a dealer, on a TR though... and with an oil change, they actually put (at least) $100 of stuff into your car.

    Now I see why some prospective buyers get upset when a few PPI's into the process they still don't have a car. That is a lot of cash to throw away!
     
  17. bpu699

    bpu699 F1 World Champ
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    I didn't get an oil change...I was listing that for comparisons sake. An oil change is about $300...an annual service is about $1500 from what I recall...so I do these at home :).
     
  18. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    +1 I jump at the chance to do such services on my Ferrari! I get the pleasure of seeing the components up close & personal, and marvel at the work of art hidden under that lid. Also, it gives me more confidence to drive the car...
     

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