Interesting article supporting the fact that classic Ferrari's are rising in price with the TR doubling the past year. This trend is impacting Mondi's, 308, 348's, etc. IMO. Ferrari's Testarossa May Be a Better Investment Than Its IPO - Bloomberg Business Cheers, Greg Image Unavailable, Please Login
Those were sold prices, but I think it's important to point out that the list seems to have been "cherry-picked" to show the highest recent sale prices (is someone trying to stack the cards for a future Mondial sale???). It's also worth noting that the 2nd sale shown (the '87 3.2) has been relisted again (and again and again and again and, well you get it....). It didn't sell for the $49,900 shown. Here's a more complete list of cars that have sold on ebay recently: ferrari mondial in Mondial | eBay . This should provide a more accurate picture. It seems that the biggest prices are being brought by the Ts. 2cam
The t has a better engine but you will be sorry if you ever need a water pump replacement! Some, if not all of them, also have adjustable shocks and power steering. Very very bad. Not needed and just more expensive stuff to go bad. I suggest the 3.2.
PS: Re 'better handling'. The t has a lower center of gravity but also has more polar moment in rotation (a potential spin) because the tranny is not in the center of the car (like the 3.2) but is a weight that is not in the center, but is in the back. I will not be tempted to discuss Porche 911's.... The 3.2 Mondial is an E Ticket Disneyland ride that will not kill you. In the very first few weeks of ownership I decided the primary design goals were daily drivability and driver safety. I am not making that up.
+348. Since ive driven 2 - 3.2's and currently own a T. Its definitely your opinion and maybe we shouldnt criticize other's opinions and rides. My little brother.
Hello David, That is why we change the water pump at every major service. Also, you couldn't be more wrong regarding the adjustable shocks and the very effective power steering. You bought your Prugna Metallica coupe, looking to understand "this thing with Ferraris". Therefore, I suspect you've never experienced the magnificent driving upgrades that a "t". embodies. God know what you've got to say about a Valeo t Cheers, Hank
The very top of the Mondial mountain.... The very pinnacle of Mondial creation..... That which all other Mondials aspire to be...... is a Blu Sera QV Coupe Sid P.S - I might be just a wee bit biased.
Well, it's just my opinion, but having owned both a t and a 3.2, at least it's my informed opinion. Power steering is great and adjustable shocks are even better! In 25 years of ownership I never had any serious mechanical issue with my t. Some electrical gremlins, like the fuel gauge. How many wins for the 312T of similar configuration: 27? But I loved my 3.2, just that I prefer the t.
Never had this happen in the 16 years of ownership: At the Sunday BBQ yesterday with the t Coupe parked out front. Partying out back and the door bell rings and door knocks. My Bro. in-law answers some stranger asks if "you want to sell the Ferrari I'll pay big money for it". Bro. in-law says not for sale get out of here. Later on Bro. in-law tells me the story. I asked what was big money??? I'll never know. An example of increased interest for our F-Cars.
Thanks. What David is forgetting (or ignoring) is the engine being both longitudinal (shifting a small amount of weight forward) and the transmission at the back, offsetting some of that weight savings. However this arrangement allowed Ferrari to lower the center of gravity 5 inches!!! That is huge. It was the model upon which the 355 and the 360 were based on ( I think also the 430, not sure). There is no 911 oversteer at all, but if you are worried about that, simply put slightly wider tires in back and you can easily adjust the balance of the car. I have (curtousy of the prior owner) 8 inch wide wheels in front, 10 inch in the rear. I can assure you, this thing sticks like glue and is relatively easy to throttle steer. The power steering doesn't leak (at least not on mine). It is unobtrusive, yet feel is great. You don't even realize it is power once you are moving; when going slow, you are grateful, I don't care how big your biceps are! Adjustable shocks do have a tendency to wear out the plastic gears. That is a one time fix, send out the unit and put a metal gear in. It is the older Corvette system, so fix is easy and cheap. Do all four corners once and never again. Vendor is well known here. Service is great, turn around time is less than 1 week. If you need a water pump, or timing belt, engine does have to come out. Rare that a water pump let's go between service, I can't remember the last time I read about that here. The water pump is changed as a precaution because of the labor. So with every engine out you know a water pump will not be a problem. If you drive your car, you can easily do 5 years between belt changes(and if someone knowledgeable like Dave Helms is handling your maintenance, 7 years is not an issue). We have seen belts pulled after years in the double digits, and they were worn, but holding together. I believe the key is driving the car, not letting it sit (like the air conditioner, if you don't use it often, the seals dry up, regular use prevents that from happening). A lot of worrying, and there is some old discussion about dealers making up recommendations to drum up business. There was a discussion that when the TR came out, the book called for belt CHANGE at 52,500 miles, and belt CHECKS every 15,000 miles. Certainly, the belt technology is a lot better 30 years later. But if it takes 6 hours to pull the subframe and motor and 10 hours to put it back (allowing for something to go wrong when it goes back together), the difference is a couple thousand dollars. If you do it every 5 years, you are spending an extra $400 per year. Is that really a big deal? Whether you have a 3.2 or 3.4, you still have to pay for parts for whatever service you are doing. The marketplace is the final judge of value. The t's have gone up quicker than the 3.2's and older QV's and 8's (but none as quickly as the 328!). So prefer whichever model you like, that's fine. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. But no one is entitled to his own facts. Carry on!! Regards, Jerry
Maybe Rob Lay should have included "Just", when he set up our own Fchat Mondial section Cheers & Hi Bambi, Hank
No question the T has to handle better given the engine location and height difference. Ferrari quality also progressed (along with the entire car industry) through the years so later models better. I think the T looks more contemporary. That's why its worth more to the average punter.
So based on just "sold" cars on eBay...here is the current state (last 90 days): Ferrari Mondial in Cars & Trucks | eBay 92 Mondial t Valeo: 75K/34K Miles 90 Mondial t (parts car) 22.6K/36K Miles 90 Mondial t 42K/24K Miles 90 Mondial t 42K/24K Miles 89 Mondial t (needs service) 30K/44K Miles 87 Mondial 3.2 ???(listed at 50K)/24K Miles 86 Mondial 3.2 31K/21K Miles 86 Mondial 3.2 28K/54K Miles 85 Mondial QV 22K/55K Miles 85 Mondial QV (modified) 17K/69K Miles 84 Mondial QV 23K/48K Miles 84 Mondial QV 23K/31K Miles 83 Mondial QV 37K/16K Miles 82 Mondial 8 23K/42K Miles 82 Mondial 8 17K/75K Miles Taking the outliers (Valeo, Parts Car, Modified) out here is my handy dandy formula Ts are in mid 30s to high 30s 3.2 high 20s to low 30s QV low 20s to mid 20s 8 high teens to low 20s Of course time capsule/pristine (Silverstone One at 110K) & Rare/Coupes in US (Valeo 75K) & Low Mileage models get super premiums. The Ferrari Mondial - still the exotic car world's best kept secret and value...
