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Problem with a 360 - interior parts .. Help!

Discussion in '360/430' started by Jeru, Aug 21, 2007.

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  1. Jeru

    Jeru Karting

    Nov 16, 2003
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    Florida
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    Shawn
    I have no idea why but my interior parts.. Door openers, Windshield A/C surrounds, Ashtray and Side view mirror adjustments have all become sticky to the touch and I leave fingerprints when I touch them. the car stays in Florida year round, Is it from the heat? It looks like **** and I am really upset. Is there anything I can do other than get all the parts re-painted?
    Also is there any way to break the seal on the headlights to clean inside them?

    Thanks
     
  2. brokenarrow

    brokenarrow F1 Rookie

    Sep 25, 2006
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    Under search look for headlights and you'll find everything you want to know. As for the buttons, I just bought my 360 from Ferrari of Houston and Joe, the salesguy, was kind enough to replace the two pieces that surround the steeringwheel, door opening and mirror piece. Everything in the car is coated with a very thin rubberized material over plastic. It becomes tar like after several years. There's NOTHING you can do about it. Oh, you can peel it all off from every button (haven't seen that yet), or you can replace them one by one only to go back to the tar state eventually. I would replace or live with it.



     
  3. Jeru

    Jeru Karting

    Nov 16, 2003
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    Thats funny, I searched headlights and the Bikini Thread comes up lol.
     
  4. brokenarrow

    brokenarrow F1 Rookie

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  5. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

    Feb 1, 2007
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    Sorry to butt into the 360 forum, but on my 348 I removed the sticky pieces, cleaned them and sprayed a new layer of rubber paint. Better than new :)
     
  6. bwiele

    bwiele Formula Junior

    Mar 21, 2007
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    West Harrison, NY
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    Brian
    Can you provide more information about the rubber paint (brand, sources, etc)? I don't have any issues with my buttons yet, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time, and I'd love to file that piece of useful info away for future reference.
     
  7. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    Do a search in the 348/355 forum.

    Here is one thread I found, although very long: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126642&highlight=rubber+sticky+oven Many different methods according to what owners were comfortable with.

    I took all my pieces out of the car, soaked them with oven cleaner, scrubbed hard repeatedly x 20, then painted with a low gloss spray paint. Other owners used rubber spray paint available at Home Depot (to retain the factory look).
     
  8. mgtr1990

    mgtr1990 Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2005
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    The 355 was very prone to this lots of info on how to clean those parts I believe that oven cleaner gently rubbed will remove the sticky material I tried it on my console worked fine. The most disappointing thing is to find after all the 348/355 issues that the 360 is going to have the same thing happen.
     
  9. dsevo

    dsevo Formula Junior

    May 7, 2007
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    I've only done my radio knobs, but I cleaned them with goo gone, and they came out perfect. They're not getting sticky again yet.
     
  10. paulie_b

    paulie_b F1 Veteran
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    Jan 13, 2003
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    use a product called Goof Off.
     
  11. ilikecars

    ilikecars Rookie

    Jan 25, 2006
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    ALL 348 and later ferraris have or will have this problem. Just gotta fix or replace.
     
  12. brokenarrow

    brokenarrow F1 Rookie

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    If this were a Toyota, I wouldn't complain. A Ferrari folks!! Can you believe??? Oh well, no use crying about it now. A small price for such a fine car...
     
  13. DMaury

    DMaury Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2007
    1,993
    Ponchatoula, LA
    Has Ferrari ever said why they STILL have this issue in the 360s when it was/is something well known in the 355? I can't believe they would just do the same thing all over again and not fix such an obvious design flaw. IS this something that is a problem with every 360, or just a few?
     
  14. mgtr1990

    mgtr1990 Formula 3

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    Good question I must admit I have not seen it in my 2002 360 and I am located in Dallas and it does get hot here maybe just lucky or maybe the material is different
     
  15. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    360, 430, 599.... It's still a problem. Yes, 599.
     
  16. DMaury

    DMaury Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2007
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    This is the first time I have read about the 360 having any sticky button/material issues. I knew well about the problems in a 355. I'm really bummed to hear this as in a year or two I will be getting a 360. It's still not going to stop me from buying one however! ;)
     
  17. DMaury

    DMaury Formula 3

    Mar 27, 2007
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    Unbelievable! Like someone said, I wouldn't be that surprised if it was a low-end car. Actually, I would if it was something that the manufacturer knew about but didn’t correct since 1990! That’s something that I’d expect coming out of Detroit in the 70’s and 80’s, but not Ferrari at ANY time period.

    Have they ever officially commented on this as to why they keep using the same material?
     
  18. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    Nov 4, 2003
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    i have an 04 360 coupe. the only place i see a potnetial problem (but not yet a problem) is in the radio knobs.

    my car has always been in houston, which isn't by any means a cool climate.

    ferrari outsources MANY parts today. if you strip down the window switches, the door handles the .....etc........, you will find that the parts are many different colors of plastic, more often than not black. however, they don't mtach. even though all the parts have different manufacturers, ferrari still has to have a consistent color/texture/feel in the end product, hence the black coating. the coating makes all the parts feel the same and seem as though they came from the same place.

    the biggest problem with this concept, is when they are exposed to high heat, they soften and decompose. ferrari's aren't really meant to be parked in the 90+ degree heat on an ongoing basis. when the car is, these parts succumb to problems inherent in their construction.

    this has been an ongoing problem for ferrari since the 348 (at least as i can tell). i am surprised that they conitinue down this path, but when will they cahnage? noone can tell for certain.

    to me, it is silly that they haven't found a better approach, but then again, most of the cars are out of warranty before this becomes a problem.
     
  19. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    I make products coated with "rubber" paint and some of them deteriorated or rubbed off when the formula was not just right. The quality can vary from batch to batch.
     
  20. Ricambi America

    Ricambi America F1 World Champ
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    The interior door pulls, radio knobs, window switches, ashtray, dash vents, steering column housing, and defroster vents.... just to name a few likely candidates for eventual stickiness.

    I agree about 'batch by batch' formula problems. I put brand new panels in my 348 about 3 years ago, and it remains perfectly unsticky. We have a steady stream of 360 customers who replace this stuff too.
     
  21. wingfeather

    wingfeather F1 Rookie

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    I'm not so sure it's a "design flaw" or a cheap way to make outsourced parts match up.

    The rubberized paint gives the parts another dimension, an exotic sheen (and tactile feel) where 99% of the world's cars just have plain black (or tan) ABS plastic. Also, the rubber helps to keep grip on the object when driving in a sporty manner.

    The different colors of plastic that get covered by the paint - I'm thinking that was a cost-cutting measure they started later (after they realized you can't see it). My 348's rubber coated items were all the same black plastic content underneath.
     

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