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  1. velocityengineer

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    Callaides,
    The bent metal rod coming through the hood is a pitot tube. It is used for measuring airspeed, and so it measures the vehicle speed. Normally you will find these coming up from airplane wings and fuselages. It is used usually in practice and qualifying, and sometimes during the race to continue to build more data for later cross reference. The car measures wheelspeeds as well, but there is an error factor there, so it is used for cross reference, and also to get an idea of speeds and therefore downforce calculations around the track.
    The roof vent is for driver cooling. The front engined GT cars get very hot in the cockpit, and the lexan side windows dont help the driver. But the roof vent doesnt disturb the air going to the rear wing as much as open side windows.

    Hi Riverflyer, I have to speculate a little bit, but optimum without a restriction wold look similar in design to whats there. The airhorns and opening sizes, as well the taper of the long carbon inlet tubes would need to be worked out for the best ram effect as well as volume. The Plenum box might change as well if the engine is having different pulling characteristics when un-restricted.

    Yes, I am very very lucky to have been involved in some very cool projects. Hasnt always been the safest or most financially rewarding route. But maybe someday I can annoy the other old folks in the home with stories of this car or that car...

    Eric
     
  2. velocityengineer

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    Oh yeah, I was not in the wind tunnel work with the 550. I was still with Brembo at that time. I did see the data and talk with the engineers in the UK about the hows and whys of what they did. Nothing done to the car is very far out. Pretty standard modification for a GT spec car. The key with Prodrive is that they made the car balance out very well, and not be overly sensitive to ride height and pitch. This made the car easier to drive and more stable between driving styles. the center of pressure is also well located and controlled due to this balance.

    Many GT cars have more of a band aid solution, sticking on ever larger rear wings and front splitters and things like that. Often the root of an issue is that some element of the car is seperating or stalling airflow or taking air off the wing. But these things are near impossible to judge without wind tunnel time. But thats why the big boys win most often.

    Oh yeah.. I forgot to complete the yapping about the pitot tube, the other function for knowing airspeed is that it can be used to tune the suspension settings...They can seperate aero loads from cornering loads in the suspension. The amount of downforce from a given airspeed is known from tunnel work. So the amount of compression at speed and spring rate increase and travel can be determined and used to set up the car. This way they keep the car off the bump stops and maximize mechanical grip.
    This is starting to becaome a tech section rant! sorry for that.

    Eric
     
  3. TestShoot

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    The Prodrive 550 is porn for me. Too bad the race results were not that impressive.
     
  4. callaides

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    Who cares...I'm learning more here in this post than I have in the entirety of my Race Tech subscription. Good knowledge is hard to find...and people willing to share the wealth are true friends. Thanks.

    Thanks for the leads on that pitot tube. So the whole thing is hollow? Is it located smack dab in the middle of the hood so that it gets the cleanest airflow sans being in front of the car...straight off the bumper? I guess that explains it's height; so that it isn't affected by the turbulance coming across the hood. Amazing that a little hollow rod can gather that much information.

    Are the small vents under and to either side of the main "mouth" grille the brake ducts?

    What's the story with the way the fenders on the DBR9 are rolled? The front fenders seem to be sloped waaay back...almost looking like a mistake. Better airflow coming off the tire? I assume assists in top speed?

    Just to make this a non-tech session:
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  5. callaides

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  6. velocityengineer

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    Race results werent impressive???

    It is winningest GT car in the FIA since the Mclaren F1,

    2001 first year, 2 victories in the 5 races entered.
    2003 8 wins out of 10 races in FIA GT calendar. Drivers and Team FIA GT CHAMPIONS
    2003 LEMANS 24 CHAMPIONS
    2003 PETIT LEMANS 24 ALMS CHAMPIONS
    2004 Drivers and Team CHAMPIONS again in FIA GT
    2004 LeMans endurance series GTS Series CHAMPION
    etc...

    The car was a massive success..and it was never factory backed.

    what does it take to impress you?


    The fender shape on the Aston is done to relieve pressure in the wheelwell.
    it helps vent the internal nose section and create a lower pressure area under the nose for more downforce. Downforce baby, its ll about downforce without significant drag penalties.

    Eric
     
  7. callaides

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    Plus Ferrari's "factory" 550 variant racer (575GTC) never came close to matching the Prodrive 550 offshoots in the races... wasn't even a contest.

    Thanks for the info regarding the Aston arches.
     
  8. velocityengineer

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    The strange shape of the aston wheel opening in front is doing the same thing as the twin gills just behind the front wheel on the 550. venting air.

    Notice the small vent in the rear aston fender as well, they are trying to get rid of any high pressure zones under the car.

    The Aston body pushes the rules a bit, I have heard that the techs are not overly pleased, but the presence of Aston in FIA is too important for them to make too much noise.

    I dont know why the 575GTC was and is a bit of a dud. I dont know what the issue could be. But I have been away from that type of racing for a year or so. Ill ask some friends in the right places to know and let you know what they say.

    Eric
     
  9. callaides

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  10. Gary48

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    velocityengineer, Thanks for all the great pics, this car has helped to create the 550 legend.
     
  11. rush109

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    very nice pics...the car is awesome...
     
  12. J. Salmon

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    fantastic pictures.... Thanks!
     
  13. DavkeG

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    Doesn't anyone have pictures of the ProDrive version next to a regular 550?
     
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    That's funny.
    As I recall, the roof strutcture, windshield, engine block and heads are about all that remains from the 550.

    Maybe not so much apples and oranges as oranges and tangerines

    Eric
     
  16. TestShoot

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    all that with a cupholder, spinners and a/c... ;)
     
  17. velocityengineer

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    Haha,

    Ok, I can see you are a customer who knows what he wants...

    how bout all that plus the undercoating, floormats and the teflon paint coating...and Ill throw in the european blinker fluid....

    What do I have to do to put you in this car today....?
     
  18. velocityengineer

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    Uh oh, theres more...the Prodrive 550 is FIA GT champion again in 2005


    From care Racing:

    The outcome draws a conclusion to one of the most successful years ever for Care Racing and its stable of Prodrive-built Ferrari 550 Maranellos. Care Racing’s cars, in the hands of partner teams Larbre Compétition and BMS Scuderia Italia, have won five championship titles in 2005 (FIA GT, 2 x LMES, 2 x Italian GT), as well as taking three victories in the FFSA French GT Series.

    Gabriele Gardel, en route to Monaco, was overcome with emotion when he received Jack Leconte’s call. "It’s really fantastic news and the best possible Christmas present for Jack, the team, Care Racing, Prodrive and for me - for all of us. We won on the track and now we’ve won again and can celebrate properly! For Care Racing it is their third FIA GT title in a row, and it just shows what a wonderful car the Ferrari 550 is."

    They have water bottle holders, sort-of a cupholder.
     
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    Thanks Eric and Callaides for an interesting and informative thread. great piccies too..
     
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  22. Gary48

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    Velosityengineer, thanks so much for sharing these incredible pics. I have a Question about the Prodrive 550 frame was it newly constructed from scratch or is it a modified stock frame, and if so how and how much. thank you in advance for your information.
     
  23. velocityengineer

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    Hi Gary,

    the passenger area floorpan and roof structure are about all that is left from the OE 550. There are new suspension pick ups, and subframes are used to cradle the engine and front and rear suspension. The gearbox is not the OE piece, so a new structure carries that as well. The car is really a tube frame silhouette of the OE 550. Only the general layout and engine specification are still in place.

    The suspension uses fabricated uprights, and to my knowledge, none of the 550 parts are still used. Prodrive scanned the entire car into 3d CAD data and designed the cage and support frames in order to get the CG of the major components as low and centralized as possible. The drivers seat is lower and further back than OE in order to get more weight off the nose for example.

    The car is built pretty robust, so it is not the lightest of the GT cars. But it is a dead reliable endurance racer.

    Hope that helps answer your question,

    Eric
     
  24. Gary48

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    Eric, thanks for the info, I really appreciate the insite.

    Gary
     
  25. FerrariStuff.com

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    A business acquaintance of mine delivered an accident damaged 550 to Prodrive a week or so ago.

    Since so little of the original car is used, the damage has no impact on the integrity of the structure.

    Yet another once-a-road-going 550 will shortly be turned into a mighty racer!
     

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