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Pulled over question: Courtesy or Law?

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  1. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    A friend of mine was pulled over the other day ago on a two lane divided expressway. He was traveling in the right-hand lane when he approached two state troopers on the shoulder with an eighteen wheeler. He (friend) moved to the center of the two lanes and then back into the right lane. One of the two trooper-boys left the truck and caught up to my friend and then followed him for a mile or so. After following in close proximity he was pulled over and verbally assaulted for failing to yield to an "emergency vehicle." Friend told me he only answered yes sir to the trooper and remained cordial as possible. He stated the trooper was very rude. He was issued a traffic ticket after his reprimand.

    Those are the broad details.

    I told friend he should have fully-yielded as a courtosy after learning there was no traffic in left lane that precluded that maneveur. In hindsight he agreed.

    Question: Is this a law or a common courtesy? Police officer friend from Arizona told me it's a curtosy but didn't know my state laws for sure. I know this is a gray area but I'm just curious if anyone else has been cited for this or know whether this is in fact law.
     
  2. 134282

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    Um, i'm pretty confused by the whole thing... Dude is driving in the right lane, sees two troopers with a rig, so he gets in the middle lane... After passing, he gets back in the right lane and THAT'S why he got pulled over...? That makes absolutely no sense to me... What, exactly, is the traffic ticket for...? More importantly, what was your friend driving...?

    i would tell him to fight it, tooth and nail...
     
  3. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    Friend was driving 88 Porsche turbo. He was driving posted speed limit. There was no center lane. He stradled the two lanes, in other words he didn't completely move into the left lane of the two lane expressway.

    He was cited for "Failing to Yield to an emergency vehicle."

    He was not violating any other vehicular laws.

    Porsche could've been an "aggitator" for the trooper but that makes not difference. This did come on the heals of that video last week of a police officer being hit road side by an SUV, though.
     
  4. 134282

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    Was there any indication from the troopers that motorists were supposed to yield...? Whenever i see a cop on the side of the road with someone, i just keep going... i move over if i'm in the right lane, but that's it... Unless there was some kind of sign or maybe some flares in the road or the trooper was out there waving cars down, i don't see how your friend deserves a ticket...
     
  5. jungathart

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    The trooper's action makes no sense to me: did he expect your friend to slow down or stop and pull off the road?? He needs to contest this ticket!
     
  6. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    That's right NNO, no flares, no accident, no anything. Perhaps writing a citation to the trucker.

    Personally, I'd file a complaint on the officer. But I don't know the law.
     
  7. GrigioGuy

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    Depends on state law. Here in Texas, it is LAW that you either must completely vacate the lane closest to a stopped emergency vehicle or slow to 20 MPH below the speed limit (or 5 MPH on surface streets). The cops are setting traps to cite people for violating this law.
     
  8. don_xvi

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    Sounds like it must be the law in your state.
    It is here in Michigan and I know a guy that got pulled over for it. Here you have to move to give them 1 lane or slow down if that's not possible. Sounds like they were being pricks regardless....
     
  9. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    That's basically the same as in Florida. Too many officers have been hit by cars driving too fast next to them.
     
  10. Greg G

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    This is all news to me.
     
  11. Gershwin

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    Well I guess it is state law and similar with other states. I think we'll all be learning more about it.

    Here is a "partial" story posted out of a Northern Kentucky newspaper called the Kentucky Post:


    Officers in peril along roads
    Post staff report

    Northern Kentucky police officers are seeking state help with a growing menace - drivers who don't know how to act around emergency vehicles:

    Already this month, three officers have been killed while working road-side stops in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.

    An Indiana trooper was killed last year.

    And about 10 officers a year die when hit by vehicles.

    Local police want interstate signs at Kentucky's borders informing drivers of state laws requiring them to slow down and move over for stopped cruisers, fire trucks and ambulances.

    ''I've had my hat knocked off many times along the roads,'' said Hobart Strange, president of the Northern Kentucky Police Chiefs Association and the outgoing chief in Wilder.

    ''A lot of people will be out working special details this weekend and I'm sure that 95 percent of the drivers don't even know a law exists about this,'' he said.

    ''Right now, we're just trying to get the word out to motorists that these laws are in effect.''

    On Monday, the police chiefs asso ciation sent a letter asking for help to Transportation Cabinet Traffic Division Director Simon Cornett, who they say is currently reviewing sign placement along state roads.

    ''I would like to request that the division consider placing signs on the interstate entrances to Kentucky that indicate the requirement for motorists to move over or slow down for stopped emergency vehicles,'' Strange said in the letter.

    The cabinet will consider the request once it receives it and has a chance to study it, spokesman Mark Pfeiffer said late Tuesday.

    Other states have enacted similar measures.

    Indiana has posted signs at entry roads into the state that advise: ''Move over or slow down for stopped emergency vehicle. It's the law
     
  12. SrfCity

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    Well I can see why cops would be touchy about this. Always, before the cop heads back to the car ask if you may please have a warning. Especially if you've got a clean record. If you don't give the copy any thing to go off of and you're polite, the guy will give it to you, especially if he knows he's being ******.
     
  13. glh

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    I've only been sworn at twice by Cops... both times driving Porsches.


    That i am aware of.
     
  14. gil308

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    It's the law here in Florida too. Intended to help reduce the risk to Troopers. So, by the letter of the law, your friend did not completely move to the other lane + he did not slow down = ticket. Not much to contest in court, but if he has the time, it may be worth talking to the porsecutor and have the ticket reduced to a no point violation...assuming this ticket has points.
     
  15. Meister

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    I think in MN it's the law... you are supposed move to the left lane if available and if not slow down.

    I think "stradling" the line (especialy in a nicer, high profile car) could give the impression of arrogance or disrespect to the situation. I'm not saying the driver meant it in that way... I'm just saying what the officer might have viewed by a move like that. What's so hard about moving over the other half a car width anyway.
     
  16. Gatorrari

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    In Georgia, the relatively new law, as far as I know, requires motorists to move over one lane or slow down to (but not below) the posted speed limit.

    While laws like this are probably necessary, I really wish the states would get together and come up with a common law in all states......
     
  17. UroTrash

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    You know what the REAL issue is don't you?

    Some guy in a Porsche Turbo just boinked the cop's girlfriend and he's p!ssed.
     

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