Purchase help with 365GT BB

Great car in theory, (but a bit pricey at 175K and could easily spend 30-50 making it "right" if it's not already), and DONT try to make it handle like a modern car, it's a classic, and what makes them great is the way they slide so forgivingly and respond to driver input so sensitively.

Enjoy the fact that power outweighs grip. If you try to put grippy tyres on it, you'll expose the poor clutch and brakes and get oil surge from the wet sump. Then if you fix that you'll expose the chassis flex, then if you fix that you may as well buy a 360......

I've got a 512BB for sale at KHPC... (how do you do links?)

http://ecardata.resolutesystems.co.uk/khpc/Action.Lasso?-database=ecar2dta&-response=cardtlpge.html&-layout=Data&-sortField=Price&-sortOrder=descending&-op=bw&-LogicalOperator%20value='&-op=bw&-Operator%20value='=='&-op=bw&DealerNumber=1038&-maxRecords=1&-skipRecords=31&-search


and you can have it for $120K AU) and I reckon they're a bit better, mainly because it's got dry sump and more torque, and less aero lift. But I love 365 BB too.

 

What use is a car in Melbourne that can do 103kmh in 1st gear, due to its higher revs.......!!

Drive both 365 and 512 before committing.

512 is quicker in all areas, as are all of Ferrari's progressive models over their predecessors. And is a nicer everyday driver.

Aero lift of 365 at 200kmh + is scary. Front spoiler to blame. Can retro fit a 512 but may as well buy a 512, but that's just my opinion.

Cable operated single plate clutch is a tiresome expensive thing to keep operating and replacing. 512 has hydraulic twin plate and is much nicer in regular use. 512 also has better cooling system / more fans, but 365 "should" be ok too, as long as all in good shape.

I have 2 customers here that may let you drive their 512's if you can't find one for sale/test drive.

 

Hi

I bought my 365 3-4 years ago and the only drama I had was blowing a water house on a very spirited run up the old pacific highway to Mt White. If you are ever in Sydney you could have a look at mine for comparison. Don't believe what the 512 guys tell you, the 365 is THE collectible boxer(in my biased opinion!). I am led to believe that it accelerates faster than a 512 but has a slightly lower top end speed. The book by Mel Nichols (Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer) has some useful info.
Goodluck

 

BB's don't have TRX tyres, well only 512BBi, certainly not 365.

365 and 512 have XWX as std and yes, they are hard to source too, and expensive. But there are other 15" options.

I run Pirelli P7R on the rear and P600 on front in wider sizes with close to std rolling circumference.

I guess a 365 owner will tell you they are best and a 512 owner will tell you they are best.....

Well, I've spent many hours with numerous examples of both cars, I get paid by others to fix and drive their cars, and the car I CHOSE to buy was a 512, because in all the hours I've spent working on and driving Ferrari's, the 512 is the most rewarding to drive...for me. But I DO love 365 too, but the 512 is better and quicker everywhere, without being less "Hard".

As for BBi, I'd rather have a TRossa thanks.

Yes, a BB is the perfect car for the inland roads, absolutely.

Oh, and just to undo your concerns about rarity, there were only 101 RH Drive 512BB's built, and many of them have been "lost" so I think were' down to about 80...

 

Well I have'nt bought any for 2 years, but 275/55/15 P7R on rear, and 235/60/15 on Front.

Got them near London.

The 512 is not necessarity the smarter buy, but it is the better car in terms of driver involvement and enjoyment...in my opinion!

There are other options too, but not many R compound. BF Goodridge Comp TA is one.

 

on what rims do u run those p7s on your 512.....stock rims?.....r u running stock ride height?....any occasional rubbing over bumps or lock to lock?......can we get some pics?

 

GENTLEMEN IF I MAY....365 BB'S AND 512BB,S SHARE 95% OF THE SAME PARTS.....SO HOW DIFFERENT CAN THEY REALLY BE????....THOSE OF US THAT KNOW BETTER KNOW THAT THERE ARE 365BB OUT THERE THAT WILL BE QUICKER THAN SOME 512 IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND 512'S THAT WILL BE QUICKER .....AND KNOW NOT BET ON WHAT MOST CAR PUBLICATIONS HAVE TO SAY... AT THE END OF THE DAY EITHER OR WILL BE QUICKER BY ONLY AFEW 10THS BE IT STANDING KM OR LAP TIME.....HANDLING +OR - BY 0.01 TO 0.03 G'S,BRAKING 80KM- 0 OR 60KM-0 A FEW FEET EITHER WAY......512BB HAVE THEIR UPDATED IMPROVEMENTS AND 365BB HAVE THEIR ADVANTAGES (ALITTLE LIGHTER , HIGHER.REDLINE,ETC)...SO LETS ALL TAKE OUR DICKS OFF THE TABLE PUT THEM BACK IN OUR PANTS AND PUT OUR MEASURING TAPES AWAY .LOL ......JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF IAM WRONG....FORZA BERLINETTA BOXERS

 

What is the VIN? Let me know and I'll check the database of Boxers I maintain.

Lee

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Stock rims all round. Stock springs too, but shocks stiffened a bit on both bump and rebound, in the valving not just adjustment.

No rubbing, but slight understeer due to no R compound on front. Overcome most of this with set up and "Technique" !! Flick it around with lots of straight line regressive braking and power early.

UK 512's are lighter than US I believe, and not much heavier than 365. Sports exhaust removes 30kg instantly!, but same for either car of course.

 

There were no US model Boxers. All Boxers imported into the US had to be privately converted to meet US safety and emissions standards, which added weight; however, many of these cars have been reconverted back to Euro spec.

 

do u have any pics of your bb with wider tires?

 

For photo's, Paste this link into your address line, I don't know why the proper link system doesn't work.

http://ecardata.resolutesystems.co.uk/khpc/Action.Lasso?-database=ecar2dta&-response=cardtlpge.html&-layout=Data&-sortField=Price&-sortOrder=descending&-op=bw&-LogicalOperator%20value='&-op=bw&-Operator%20value='=='&-op=bw&DealerNumber=1038&-maxRecords=1&-skipRecords=31&-search


But It really doesn't look much different to standard. The rears are only a squarer profile, and fronts look no different at all.

The std XWX are much narrower than the rims and you could put a 295 or wider on the rear if you could find a suitable tyre.

But I don't want anymore grip than I've got.

 

Hi Phil

My 365 runs 15x7.5 rims all round. It currently has XWX tyres which will need replacing at some stage. How wide a tyre do you think I could get away with at the rear with the 7.5rims (I assume you have 15x9in rims at the rear of your 512)

Cheers

Greg
#17915

 

You'd easily get a 235 to 255 on, but again, choices are tricky.

To get a 365 gripping like a 512, you really need 512 wheels on the rear.

 

thanks

Do you think 512 rims would fit a 365?

 

Absolutely. It's been done by many. Depending on local legislation, you may not even have to modify the bodywork to cover the tyre, as protrusion is "almost" negligable......

....But the 365 tends to understeer slightly more than 512 anyway, so are you sure you want more rear grip? Plus of course, the weaker 365 transmission might reject the tyres...so to speak!

 

hmmm... tyre rejection could be a serious problem!! Not sure what to do. When flat out, rear tyres lose grip in 1 to 3rd gears, but part of this might relate to relatively old(hard) tyres rather than tyre width I suppose. Anyway, thanks for your input

 

Whats the date code on your tyres.....It's almost sure to be your problem. No std road BB will break traction without major provocation (big rev and a clutch dump) on good/new tyres...too much weight over the rear.