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Quasi nothing! It is what it is a FERRARI

Discussion in '206/246' started by dignini, Oct 19, 2006.

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  1. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    I know the factory said " quasi un ferrari" almost a ferrari, but from its first showing and arrival on the streets it was and is a Ferrari, wherever in Europe this car is discussed it is a Ferrari, only on this side of the pond do I hear "almost and not quite. This is the car that many say saved Ferrari, if that is the case then lets give it its due, lets stick the ferrari name on the back, the prancing horse on the front grill sf badges on the side. When I drove mine to the factory way back when, they didn't turn me away. they came out to see a RHD come back to roost and I got a tour from Eng. Fiorani during the lunch break! It's a FERRARI.
     
  2. 4redno

    4redno Formula 3

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    I agree, it's a Ferrari. I just don't think it needs more badges than the ones it already comes with. Besides, it has a prancing horse in the engine bay and the name Ferrari on the owners manual.

    I hope the tour was fun.
     
  3. champtc

    champtc Formula Junior

    Apr 18, 2004
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    it has a Fiat engine, many Fiat stampings & aside from the ID plate on the door it was called a Dino. It was called "almost a ferrari" I think it has cache' as it does NOT say Ferrari on it!! A reverse snobbery sort of thing...plus only 6 cylinders-a poor mans Ferrari. It is a Dino & should be referred to as such!! I never call mine a Ferrari and when I get the paint touched up the Ferrari sign on the back comes off!
     
  4. Steve B

    Steve B Formula Junior

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    The engine was designed by Ferrari; the chassis was designed and built by Ferrari, the body was designed and stamped by Pininfarina, and final assembly was by Ferrari. I think that shows that, regardless of badging, the car is in substance a Ferrari.
     
  5. Julio Batista

    Julio Batista Formula 3

    Dec 22, 2005
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    Once again, it's not a Ferrari because Enzo Ferrari said it's not a Ferrari. What more do you need?

    It's a Dino! I love my Dino!

    Cheers,

    Julio
     
  6. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    He He doncha just love it!
    Sales sheet says Ferrari, warranty card says Ferrari, workshop manuals specs sheets what ever say Ferrari. Dino is a name just like Enzo
     
  7. Pantdino

    Pantdino Formula 3

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    My understanding is that the 246 and the Daytona were the last Ferraris in which Enzo was personally involved before the street car side of the business was sold off to Fiat. After that, except for the the F40 he had little or nothing to do with their design or production.

    So by that definition the 246 and the Daytona were the last production cars made by Mr. Ferrari and the others since are Fiats, no matter what the badge says.

    Enzo was hoping to spawn a new line of more affordable cars with the Dino, but that doesn't mean it's not a Ferrari. It's like saying a Pontiac GTO is not a GM product.
     
  8. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

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    Made by the same guys, in the same place, running parallel production, the list goes on...The argument that a Dino is not a Ferrari never made any sense to me.
     
  9. ShaiHulud

    ShaiHulud Karting

    Oct 10, 2006
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    As long, as it goes to labeling it is, and should be, a Dino. As far, as it goes to familiy, its a Ferrari.
    I wish the would have had the idea of another brand for the cheaper models at the porsche company. If you own a 914, 924, 944, 968, 928, a Boxster or a Cayman. All you here is: Its not a Porsche. Only 911 is a Porsche. In common mind, you buy one of those other cars only because you could not afford a 911.
     
  10. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    hell, i always refer to the cars i own as old vintage crap. i am not trying to build them into soemthing they aren't but yet know damn well that they aren't fiats.

    i challenge any fiat afficianado to find me everything i need to keep my cars running. fiats, they aren't. ferrari's they may not have been initially, but by todays standards they are.

    of the ferrari's i own (by true definition) i wouldn't dare ask about "dino's" not being ferrari's. my case may be limited, but the dino's are great cars, whether ferrari's by the letter of the law or not.

    honestly, i cringe every time someone ask me if it is a "rare" corvette. removing all the ferrari/fiat b.s., these are great cars and are extremely sexy.

    there are far more 308's than dino's. if the 308 is a ferrari than the dino is too.
     
  11. champtc

    champtc Formula Junior

    Apr 18, 2004
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    guys...the Dino was badged as a Dino...not a Ferrari. If they wanted it to be known as a Ferrari they would have plastered Ferrari badges all over the place like they have done with every other Ferrari. However, they didn't and so it is NOT a Ferrari!! It is unique & appreciate it for its specific and very identifiable difference. Its says Dino- it does not say Ferrari!! Be excited for what it is...it is the differences in this car that make it truly unique. If you want to have Ferrari badges all over your car & wear Ferrari jackets & hats then do so...but this car is NOT a Ferrari!! Appreciate it for what it is - which is a fantastic little sports car...and it happens to be called a Dino (not a Ferrari)!!!
     
  12. mikeyr

    mikeyr Formula 3

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    open the door of your non-Ferrari and look at the builders plate...oops, gee it says Ferrari.

    Why can't people believe it is a Ferrari Dino ? It may not say Ferrari anywhere on the outside but it says it where it counts, on the builders plate.

    Unlike my Dino which says FIAT on the builders plate.

    I think there can be no argument that it is a Dino built by Ferrari, right ? well, a Dino built by Ferrari is a Ferrari Dino and a Dino built by FIAT is a FIAT Dino and the motor is a Ferrari motor in both cars, just built by FIAT for production numbers.
     
  13. champtc

    champtc Formula Junior

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong...if they meant for it to be known as a Ferrari they would not have hidden the name on a remote id plate (only on the later cars by the way) on the door post. If they wanted it to be identified as a Ferrari they would have put signs all over the place (see previous post). It is a MARVELOUS car but it is a Dino!!
     
  14. Pantdino

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    The problem with answering the query "What kind of car do you have?" with "a Dino" is that very few people know what a Dino is. Those who do know still don't know if it's a Fiat Dino or the "other, non-Fiat, non-Ferrari" kind you mean.

    To answer the question properly you'd have to say "a Dino 246GT (or GTS)".

    I guess that's what we should answer. But it will be utterly meaningless to 99% of the population.
     
  15. Steve B

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    The market considers the car to be a Ferrari for the reasons previously given (e.g., the fact that Ferrari was responsible for all of the design and almost all of the assembly, it was sold through Ferrari dealerships with a Ferrari warranty, etc.). Regardless of what some purists think, it is considered to be a Ferrari for obvious, substantive reasons.
     
  16. Julio Batista

    Julio Batista Formula 3

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    Regardless of what it is, and I understand the arguments on both sides (although I am very happy to own "just" a Dino), sticking Ferrari horses and logos is in my opinion highly disrespectful of the commendatore's wishes and reflects poorly on the owner's understanding of Ferrari history.

    Julio
     
  17. Steve B

    Steve B Formula Junior

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    I agree that Ferrari badges should not be put on the car as I believe in keeping cars original. However, regardless of badging, the car is considered by almost all Ferrari enthusiasts and the market in general to be, in substance, a Ferrari for obvious and substantive reasons.
     
  18. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

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    The comparison might be to the Lexus or Scion brands - badged differently, perhaps addressing different markets, made by a known manufacturer.

    In fact, there is probably little point to the question anyway, as it is as theoretical as a discussion on when is a car a Ferrari, or a Toyota, etc.

    The effect though is that the discussion and assertions make us 206 and 246 Dino owners sound so insecure. This is unfortunate, as we don't need to be. The Dino is a great car, and whether it is, or isn't, a Ferrari, based on one's definitions, is in my view not relevant. Enough already, please.
     
  19. mikeyr

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    Sure am glad I own a Dino !!! For my Dino there are no arguments about is it a Ferrari or not, its just a Dino
     
  20. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    hell, i am glad to be even included in ferrari conversations when it comes to my dino, i admittantly refer to my older cars as old pieces of crap. after all, shouldn't all old ferrari's fall into the same category?
     
  21. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    It's a Dino

    The history, pedigree and racing heritage of the Dinos all are marvellous. Would recommend reading Nye's book. I pour over it again and again.

    I would be quite proud to say I owned a Dino - as proud as saying I owned a Ferrari. Hopefully I will someday.
     
  22. Steve B

    Steve B Formula Junior

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    The racing Dinos were all Ferraris; I don't see your point.
     
  23. synchro

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    Thank you for starting the flame inducing comments.

    The 65 degree V-6, 87x93 engine was used in Ferrari racing and badged as a Ferrari. See it referenced in Ferrari factory publication "All Ferrari Engines, Ferrari SpA, 2002"


     
  24. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

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    exactly :)
     
  25. yank05

    yank05 Formula Junior

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    Hi,

    Come on everyone! Marketing purposes.......think about reality.....think down-to-earth.......

    Marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing, marketing................

    I am an engineer in aerospace and I am on both the technical and "business" fronts......

    Ask the engineers and factory personnel what they think the car is.......not the front office.......

    Badge it what you will, call it what you want - its who, where and how the car was made that makes it what it is............
     

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