Question about a Dino...

Hi Chris,

there has been some vivid discussions on the Dino recently.

Read this thread:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80960

I believe ALL of them left the factory with ONLY Dino badges but there are many versions of what all of us believe.

The Dino cars were indeed named after Enzo's son, Dino.
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The only place I know that the Ferrari name appears is on the door plate. I'm not sure if this is only on US models.

Whether the Dino is a true Ferrari has been a religious argument for much of this model's life. For the last 15 yeara or so, the consensus has been that it really is a Ferrari.

The best argument is how influential it was to future Ferrari cars. It certainly wasn't an evolutionary dead end. The style and technical elements were adopted by many later Ferrari (and wannabe) designs. It's an important part of the Ferrari DNA to this day.

My Dino's plate is '4RE 4RE'. It's been in Road & Track and the Ferrari Yearbook (1995).

 

Door plate and a couple of plates in the engine compartment have FERRARI on them.

Don't think I've spotted any others.

DM

 

Looks OK to me except that it's on its side but that could be your intention of course.

 

Sorry, I looked only at your avatar, not your profile pic. My bad.

Your profile pic is indeed bad, almost B&W.

 

Were they all built by Ferrari? Ferrari Factory? It says Dino but was to honor his son. Theres no reason really for it to not be considered a ferrari and in the ferrari family. Is there?

 

What is these pictures and what do they say??

 

That's the obituary of the one and only true "Dino Ferrari", i.e. Enzo's son after whom the Dino range was named and who sadly died in 1956.

I never translated the whole page.

 

Okay I know the story about Enzo, Dino etc.
But haven't seen that Obituary before

 

Hey everyone,

My Father, who spent a lot of time at the factory and had bought many new 246 Dino's from the factory for himself and customers, had told me a story about Dino's and why they were named as such. When Ferrari was coming out with the Dino they were coming up with a name for it and Enzo stated "if it does not have 12 cylinders, it is not a Ferrari" and refused to put a Ferrari badge on the car. He later decided he would name the car after his son "Dino" as a memorial and because it is kind of a "junior" Ferrari. My Father states that no Dino's left the factory with a Ferrari badge and any ones that do have a badge were added after the fact by either owners or dealers.

It's hard to believe my Dad was buying new Dino's at $18k and new Daytona's at $22-23k with Spiders costing only $25k! Used Daytonas were only $12k!

 

Enzo didn't have any problem badging the V-6 Formula One cars as Ferraris, although they had "Dino" cast on their cam covers.

 

Ferrari still assembled the production cars, they were just not branded as a Ferrari. Similar to how a Lexus is manufactured by Toyota, but it is not branded as a Toyota. If you look on the manufaturing label on a Dino, it says it is manufatcured by Ferrari just as a Lexus says manufactured by Toyota.

For the F1 cars, they were called a "Ferrari" as Ferrari assembled the engine and "Dino" was not a separate manufaturer, only a separate name plate.

Hope that clears it up a bit!

 

all dino blocks and heads have fiat markings. check the casting between the banks. also the original cromodora dino wheels casting says fiat. later dino wheels were cast dino and i have seen some cast ferrari which i think belong to late 308gt4 that had that wheel or repros as early dino gt4 had dino wheels.

 

I have read different stories as to why the Dino was labeled as such. One is that Enzo didn't think the midengine layout was good for a street car. He was actually very conservative, remember, adopting disc brakes and midengine design for his racing cars only after everyone else had changed to them. So he labeled the car a Dino so if it turned out to be a flop it wouldn't tarnish the Ferrari name. When it was successful he had no compunction in labelling subsequent midengine cars Ferraris.

The engine has Fiat cast into some parts because Enzo did not have the manufacturing capability to make 1000 more engines per year. He therefore partnered with Fiat to make some of them, and in return Fiat got to use them in their own Fiat Dinos. If you look at a Fiat engine of the era, there is obviously no resemblance between them and the Dino engine.

To say the Dino has a Fiat engine is gross misrepresentation of the facts.

 

I am not that sure that there is much of an engine performance difference between a Fiat Dino 206 / 246 and the Ferrari Dino 206 / 246. According to Mike Morris' Fiat Dino - Ferrari by another name book the 2.4 had the following specs:
6 cylinder - 65 deg. - cast iron 4 OHC
Displacement 2418cc
Bore 92.5 x Stroke 60 mm
Compression 9 to 1
max power 180bhp (DIN) - 188 (SAE) @ 6600 rmp
max torque 159 lbs/ft (DIN) 164 lbs/ft (SAE) @ 4600 rpm
carbs 3x Webers 40DCNF series
firing order 1,4,2,5,3,6
5 speed ZF - Type S5-18/3 - limited slip differential

 

In general, there is no difference in the engines placed in the Fiat Dinos and the 206/246. There are rumours that some of the 206/246 had different cam shafts that may provide more power, but I haven't seen anyone confirm this with actual measurements (sometimes camshaft specs differ only because they were measured differently). Two things account for the 10hp higher factory claim of Ferrari over Fiat: the 206/246 had a better exhaust set up, and the hp rating was given at a higher rpm (and since the Fiats will also rev that high, they make the same hp at that rpms as the engines put into the 206/246 cars, minus a bit for the less free flowing exhaust. All the casings were made by Fiat, I don't know if they were assembled by the same employees or not.

 

My understanding is that the Fiat Dino 246 was assembled at the Ferrari plant in Maranello as their were build quality issues (how unusual) with the 2Ls that were assembled at the Fiat plant in Turin.

 

Not totally right,
Only the last badge of 2400 Fiat Dino's are build in the Ferrari Factory in Maranello.because fiat needed the production space for their own cars.
I drove for 8 years from 1980 till1988 a fiat dino and a ferrari dino 246gts and the only differance between the two engine is the ignition static advance.
Ferrari 246 engine.static advance is 6 degree.total advance is 35 degree.
Fiat 2400 engine.static advance is 10 degree. total advace is 30 degree.
even the valve timing is exact the same. I'm talking about a euro car.my 2 cent.Rob

 

All fiat dino 2400 where assembled at maranello. body built by bertone(coupe) or pininfarina(spider) and shipped to factory. and then assembly done in building built and paid for by fiat. all according to said mike morris book. while i wouldn't say it is a fiat engine any more than i would call my mb E500 a porsche (because that is where it was engineered and assembled) there is no denying that ALL castings for all dino engines were built by fiat regardless of the car it powered (fiat, dino, lancia). i have not seen anything definitive of whether engines were assembled by fiat or the respective manufacturer.

 

Close but no Cigar,

Ferrari were in the process of discussing / designing the use of a V6 for racing use in the 1950's whilst Dino was ill, several of the engineers had visited Dino and discused the design with him (Dino was trained / training to be an engineer himself) when the Engine was first used for racing it was named after Dino......later Ferrari / Fiat produced a V6 motor in larger numbers for racing which naturaly was also badged "Dino", this allowed both Fiat and Ferrari to produce "cheaper" cars with the V6 engine (starting with the Fiats)

 

and in that department, by the time the Dino production car came out, the factory had already successfully campaigned a wide assortment of 4 cylinder, straight 6, v-6 and v-8 cars . . .

 

And of course they even won the F1 championship in a "Dino" powered car, that was of course considered just as much a Ferrari as the 12cyl cars.