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Question about codes 1211 and 1212 on a 348.

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  1. Falcon Wing

    Falcon Wing Formula 3

    Aug 4, 2010
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    If I am reading the codes correctly I am getting:
    1-2-1-1 and 1-2-1-2

    My 348 has been in a local shop for ~ 3 months now getting a LOT done, I had it home for a few days. However, on the drive home from the shop I got the above mentioned codes. I took the car back a few days later to have them diagnose / fix the problem.
    These codes had appeared before, and were one of the reasons I took the car to the shop in the first place.
    I stopped by to check on the progress today and found that they are looking at replacing the "injectors" as part of the problem.

    Anyone have any experience with these codes and possible fixes?


    Here is a video of one of the codes before I cleared them both:

    Ferrari 348ts ECU code - YouTube



    Here is a link the the thread I started about the various things being worked on: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355/396133-my-348-shop-first-time.html
     
  2. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    1211 & 1212 are lambda regulation.

    In plain English, the Motronics are having a hard time keep the air/fuel ratio where is needs to be. There multiple things that can cause this:

    Vacuum leak in the intake manifold - check the vacuum lines on the plenum make sure they are hooked up and not leaking
    bad O2 sensor - swap the sensors from side to side and see if the code jumps banks
    bad coolant temp sensor - swap the plugs from sensor to sensor and see if the code jumps
    bad thermostat - is it running too cool, below 180°F after you have been driving a while
    bad MAF - swap the mafs from side to side and see if the codes jump sides
    Or any combination of those.
     
  3. tamf328

    tamf328 Formula Junior

    Mar 9, 2005
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    the connectors to the MAF was the problem on my 348 at the time.
    while I was at it I also cleaned the MAFs
    found it by the doing what the last post said moving things from side to side

    I don't think I've ever replaced an injector in any car i've ever owned.
    even ones with 160K on them....
     
  4. Falcon Wing

    Falcon Wing Formula 3

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    I spoke to the shop owner today and he said they have done all that Ernie mentioned already, additionally they have improved the electrical grounds. They have been speaking to a guy that build the 348 Challenge cars and following his advice.
    I was given a detailed explanation of why the injectors were the next problem solving step, but I have to say a good bit of it was over my head.
     
  5. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 ernie, Apr 6, 2013
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2013
    Well before you go throwing more money at it, I think it would be a good idea to put a new set of ecu EPROMs in it. A while back my car was running weird and I had changed everything I could think of, and it still ran like crap. New plug wires, new plugs, new crank sensors, new O2 sensors, new coolant temp sensors, new ignition control modules, injectors tested, cleaned, and came back with a good bill of health, mafs set to spec, yet STILL it was running like garbage. Then I put in the new set of ecu chips Eric (3forty8) burned for me, and VIOLA, the crazy running problem went away. So before you go throwing good money after bad at this, try a new set of eproms. Hers's the do it yourself thread. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q/351819-348-ecu-removal-chip-removal.html
     
  6. Falcon Wing

    Falcon Wing Formula 3

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    Lated update from the shop manager:

    "Long story short, both sides of the engine are lean. We have tried all the suggestions you mentioned as well as several others including making all the grounds better than new. We also increased the duration of injection via the air mass sensor adjustments. The only way we could get the mixture back to reasonable was to increase the fuel pressure."
     
  7. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I still say you need to put in a fresh set of EPROMs in the Motronic ecu's before you do anything else.
     
  8. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #8 ernie, Apr 11, 2013
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2013
    OH HEY!!!

    Something just occurred to me!

    You could have clogged up fuel pumps. The rubber vibration sleeves around the pumps get deteriorated pretty bad. The small bit of rubber can gather on the filter screens on the pump housings, and on the filter screens on the very bottom of the pumps. Have a read of these thread to see what I'm talking about.
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/technical-q/224988-348-fuel-pump-rebuild.html
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/mondial/339405-error-4121-crazy-stuff-6.html
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/456-550-575/379853-another-case-dissolving-rubber-550-gas-tank.html
     
  9. Falcon Wing

    Falcon Wing Formula 3

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    Ernie, thanks so much for all of your input. I got word today that it was finally worked out.
    Here is what I copied from the invoice:

    check engine lights on.
    Discover significant voltage drop in grounds to engine, subframe & coax sheild (ground) for both Oxygen sensors. Fabricate & install grounds for subframe, valve covers & Oxygen sensors. Clean ground & B+ quick disconnects. Ty strap to secure. Remove multiplex connectors from ECU's to check grounds along with idle motors, throttle
    potentiometers & air mass meters-OK. Check resistance of air mass meters 395 ohms-OK. Drill & remove AFM adjuster access plugs. Remove fuel injectors & test. Compare to a new injector. All injectors flow within 10% of a new one. Check injector passageways & intake valves -all clean. Reinstall injectors with new seals. Check fuel mixture-still extremely lean. Partially clamp off fuel pressure return lines, mixture comes back in range. After much research, reinstall original fuel pressure regulators, original (1 year only) are 4 bar pressure regulators. Bosch listing & your 348 guide show a 3 bar regulator. Adjust fuel pressure to grossly center fuel mixture in Lambda window (additive & multiplicative values). Adjust throttle plates & linkages.
    Discover leaking pulse AIR injection valves & replace. Adjust air mass meters to center additive & multiplicative values. Test drive. Rescan for values. Reinstall plugs for air mass meters. Reininiate control units. Test drive-OK.
     
  10. ernie

    ernie Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Okay that makes sence, and it didn't even cross my mind.

    Thanks for the update, and I'm glad to know it got resolved.
     

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