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Discussion in 'F1' started by Gilles27, Feb 11, 2009.

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  1. Gilles27

    Gilles27 F1 World Champ

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    Watching one of my DVDs this morning of the greatest F1 cars, my wife and I had one of those discussions about how we cherish things from the past and more things these days seem disposable and lacking in passion etc. So here is my question: what is the fate of so many of today's F1 cars? The cars of yore are mostly in private collections. Most of them see regular track use and competition, even those deemed "insignificant" from their era. But for a while now the technology that goes into grand prix cars has required very specific tools, software, know-how and so on to make them run, not to mention a fleet of attendants and spares. Outside of the Ferrari program, what will become of these cars? "Shade tree mechanics" with some extra money have been able to maintain the cars we grew up with thanks to their mechanical simplicity. Not so any longer. Thoughts?
     
  2. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Some end up in the hands of driving schools, others go to museums, private collections, become show cars for teams/sponsors or display pieces in restaurants, bars, etc.

    There are a number actively used in vintage racing (even recent model years...although they require an experienced staff of mechanics to operate). You will occasionally see them for sale in various magazines, auctions, etc. for example: http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/f1s.htm

    Buying a ~10 year old F1 car for $100-250k is an unbelievable performance bargain, even if it costs $25-50k (or more) a year to campaign in vintage events.
     
  3. Gilles27

    Gilles27 F1 World Champ

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    It seems like most of them have their engines replaced with a Cosworth to make them more user-friendly. The most recent models I've seen in action are mid-90s chassis--there's an outfit that maintains and operates a Benetton, Ferrari and Jordans at the historics.
     
  4. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
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    Much like most operating warbirds are antiques, so will stay the F1 cars. The newer stuff (jets, or Super Aguri) will turn mostly into static displays, with perhaps a rare operation in a highly controlled environment. It's not just the tech (which can be replaced/replicated/etc.) but rather the materials that are suspect too. What's the safe lifespan of a featherweight exotic carbon-whatever-mix tub, and how much does an set of 10 or 8 Unobtanium rods cost?

    I've wondered in the past if the Corsa Cliente program will support the Red Bull/Toro Rosso/Spyker/Sauber/whatever chassis in the future, and I still haven't heard a definitive answer. I'm not in that market anyway :)

    Isn't there a BOSS race series that runs old Champcar and IRL cars?
     
  5. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #5 LightGuy, Feb 11, 2009
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    Complexity and one off parts from each manufacturer for <10 tubs in a year make these cars white Elephants. Molds destroyed and technology marches on = no parts. And these things burn through parts like heaven knows.
    Even Cossie DFV's, a "standard" engine cost $10k to refresh, not rebuild. Rebuild = same parts worries for this a "Spec" engine.
    The carbon fibre tubs will be around after we're all gone providing no crash dammage. Which resembles breaking glass.

    Statues.
     
  6. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Good question.

    The place where I rented an ex Damon Hill Arrows from the nineties told me some of the details: You don't get a car in whole. You get basically the cf tub. Everything that can serve as spare part or is proprietary information stays behind. So they had to "re-engineer" that car and add F1 spec brakes etc to it. They replaced the steering wheel and electronics with their own system, which also helped them in maintaining their own F1 fleet (I'm sure other driving schools do the same). Finally the engine/tranny combination has to come from somewhere.

    That all being said, I still wonder (like you) where all the cars have gone. You rarely see one advertised. Even in museums they are a rare find. I seem to stumble across more F1 simulators than real cars these days.

    Of course then there is the Clienti Corsi program where you still get to drive the original car and all the maintenance and support is provided by Ferrari. To my knowledge no other team does this, which is a pity.
     

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