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QUESTION : How to make a good lap time ?

Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by BlueBiturbo, Nov 23, 2007.

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  1. BlueBiturbo

    BlueBiturbo F1 Rookie

    May 19, 2004
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    I just read this table again :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times

    I'm still amazed to see the number of 2 cars: The new Nissan GT-R and the Honda NSX-R.
    The NSX-R with its skinny tyres is only 1 sec slower than an F430 and it even beats a 360CS!

    So what made those 2 cars excel? Good suspension? Good brakes? Certainly not Engine power.
    Even a heavy AWD GT-R is faster than a 997 GT3 (Driven by none other that Mr. Walter Rohrl himself).
    Although I'm not a die hard fan of Honda or Nissan I have to say kudos to the Japanese Engineers.

    Anyone can explain? Thanks
     
  2. Brakefade

    Brakefade Formula Junior

    Apr 8, 2007
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    IMO who's driving it plays the biggest role in the lap times. Especially at the Nurburgring were bravery is actually as important as skill. A guy driving an F430 is obviously gonna be a lot more careful than a guy driving a NSX-R. The type of tires also play a big role. Did the NSX have DOT legal slicks?
     
  3. BlueBiturbo

    BlueBiturbo F1 Rookie

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    These are THE "official" / prestigious lap times where each car is driven by their best factory / test driver.
    Most of the times it was Horst Von Saurma, Walter Rohrl or each brand's factory test driver.
    Trust me, none of them drive slower because of their car's price.
     
  4. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Honda make fantastic cars but they need Ross B to make a good F1 one though.
     
  5. Simon Tibbett

    Simon Tibbett Karting

    Nov 7, 2007
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    I REALLY want to drive there someday
     
  6. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    A lot of it depends on the track too. Many of the cars that put up good 'ring times do not do as well against the competition on other tracks like Road Atlanta, Sebring, Road America, etc.

    I personally do not put a lot of stock in 'ring times. When you dig into the times, you see them doing things like testing cars in wet/dry and not disclosing it, running R tires without disclosing, running a shorter version and not disclosing it, not starting timing at the same place, doing a running start vs. a standing start, etc, etc, etc.

    The 'ring is a track where a light car with good road feel that can carry a lot of speed through a turn is going to do better than a car which is otherwise faster and more powerful.
     
  7. RobHulme

    RobHulme Karting

    Mar 13, 2005
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    Conditions at the track on the day can greatly influence times. Temperature effects engine and tyre performance as does the condition of the track on the day eg greasy, post rain etc. Track only conditions can vary a 2 minute track in identical cars by up to 2 seconds. Therefore the ring being an 8 minute track could have a swing of more than 8 seconds!
     
  8. Cavallino Motors

    Cavallino Motors F1 World Champ
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    Without a doubt both those rice burners are excellent cars. Each one of these manufacturers have proven they can produce speed.
    Without a doubt the Ring is not a place to compare times and draw conclusions for all the reasons listed above and more.
     

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