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R.I.P. s/n 5409

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  1. krasnavian

    krasnavian Formula 3

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    I survived a head-on collision on the Ventura freeway because the other car was the crumple zone (Cadillac vs. Opel). I don't know of any sports car that could have accomplished that feat, though the manner in which Stefan Eriksson's Enzo came apart was a strong argument for the redistribution of impact.

    Sorry to hear of 5409's demise and happy that you survived.
     
  2. jsa330

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    Krasvanian,

    Thank you for the good wishes, and likewise; you were very fortunate.

    As of today...I'm alive, well, and looking for another Ferrari.

    Yes, the 2004 Passat that ran into me suffered much less damage because of its crumple-zone front end design, as well as the angle of the impact. The body parts needed for repairs were also off-the-shelf boltons, as opposed to the Ferrari's single-unit handcrafted body.
     
  3. kevfla

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    gone 4 good
    that just loved the seller's rose-colored trip thru memory lane with the car on Sunday afternoons?
    Made it sound like he's owned the car for decades...instead of weeks!

    KevFla
     
  4. Jay_GTB

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    After seeing the photos on ebay I can't help but wonder whether our friend had his head straight when he refused to buy back the car from the insurer. Or, maybe it was the lure of a "gold-chain mobile" that kept him from doing the right thing.

    The Planet will soon be blessed by the birth of another awkward GTO replica--- thanks to such caretakers as the 5409's.
     
  5. jsa330

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    Yeah, you got it right, Mr. 275GTB. Crawl back in your hole.
     
  6. 2NA

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    Are you not a fan of the GTO "tribute" that I see all over the Chicago area?
     
  7. Valence

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    Am I missing something? I thought that the car in question was badly wrecked. That's a tiny fender bender! You could find a whole front clip for a couple grand, or just rework the existing metal!
     
  8. 2NA

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    Scott, how did the car handle after the crash? Was it still "straight"?
     
  9. jsa330

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    Please, no one take offense...but the fact that Hagerty totaled the car should answer all questions.

    The decision to let it go was NOT an easy one, and I still second-guess it occasionally. But I learned a long time ago not to live life in the past...what's done is done.

    Mr. GTB's snide little suggestion aside, I could care less about a "gold-chain mobile". Another nice 330 2+2 or a 365 2+2 would be great.
     
  10. ArtS

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    Tim,

    The impact was more severe than it appears; the sheetmetal is kinked on both sides at the base of the windscreen. The door alignment is off. The recommended repair was to find a replacement body section from the door pillars forward. I was willing to place a bet that I could fix it without the replacement of the front half of the car - that's why I flew down to TX.

    Regards,

    Art S.

    PS. Jay_GTB, go away; you are obnoxious and don't have a clue.
     
  11. Jay_GTB

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    Christ, there are at least a hanful of good bodies at any given time around the Planet. You'd be unwise to repair the car given the loose bodies around. The question we should ask ourself is if we'd be so ready to write off this car had it been a 250GTL?
     
  12. kare

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    The difference between Fords and Ferrari is that Fords can be brought back after they've been hit by a train twice. A Ferrari is dead as soon as it has a shunt! How little did I know when I steeped in to this game!
     
  13. Texas Forever

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    You know what I find to be funny? All these non-Ferrari owners telling Ferrari owners what they should do with their cars. For some reason, this phenomenon appears to be particularly acute in the vintage area. I wonder why?

    Dale
     
  14. ArtS

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    Jay,

    Christ has little to do with it. Since your profile says that you own a 275 GTB, you should know first hand as to what is involved in disassembling a car of similar construction to yours. Norwoods was the shop that was going to do the repair work and they prepared the repair estimate that lead to Hagarty totalling it. Scott believed Norwoods as they are the shop he deals with. Are you now saying that they don't know what they are doing? If so, then it is a good deal and you should step up and save the car. The ebay starting price isn't much different than the price it sold for at the insurance auction.

    Also, if this had happened to a Lusso 5 years ago when they were going for under $100k in driver condition, the result would have been similar. Obviously, today, this type of repair would be a small fraction of lusso's value.

    Art S.
     
  15. jsa330

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    My guess is: those with a strong interest in the vintage cars...owners, non-owners, and those in between...are more the motorhead, do-it-yourself type, regardless of financial means; I'm like that and can give bad advice all day to anyone who will listen.

    Had no idea that my old car coming up on eBay would set off a regular brawl! :)
     
  16. Jay_GTB

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    It doesn't matter really what Norwood says. Norwoods will always sound like Gods to the unknowing. Today, a 330 2+2 (like 5409) all restored and on the market for $160,000 is a far better buy than a make-believe GTO-- for which folks pay twice that. This may not be obvious to you today, but 5-6 years from now it will be a clear case of "should've".
     
  17. dm_n_stuff

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    4 headlight 330 2+2 for $160K???

    I don't think I've seen that happen yet.

    Can you sight any examples of a 4 headlight 33 2+2 going for that kind of money?

    DM
     
  18. Texas Forever

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    Well then, you should.

    Dale
     
  19. jsa330

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    Jay:

    To clarify what happened, Hagerty used the estimates given by several Ferrari-specialist bodyshops to come to a final decision on the cutoff point for repair costs on #5409.

    I consulted with Norwood Performance about the possibility of taking the lump sum total-out settlement, then buying the car back from Hagerty, then working with Norwood's to repair it independently of the insurance company.

    Unfortunately, neither approach was financially viable, and I made the very difficult decision to let my prized car go. FYFI, I put hundreds of hours of personal hard labor into the reconditioning and restoration of #5409.

    I see you're a relative n00b here. In this section of fchat, at least, we generally respect and help each other out.

    If you want to be a know-it-all jerk, go to the P&R section and blabber on there...that's why Rob set it up as a separate area. I'd also suggest you subscribe...if you can keep up a 275GTB, you can part with $15 a year.

    Scott
     
  20. FarmerDave

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    Scott, yesterday I found two priceless pictures of 5049 that I thought I had lost when my hard drive crashed... Luckily I had printed them in color on a regular sheet of paper. I will make every attempt to scan those tomorrow and get those to you!
     
  21. FarmerDave

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    Scott, yesterday I found two priceless pictures of 5049 (from our Toy Run drive) that I thought I had lost when my hard drive crashed... Luckily I had printed them in color on a regular sheet of paper. I will make every attempt to scan those tomorrow and get those to you!
     
  22. jsa330

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    Dave, good to hear from you.

    I'm not on here as much as I used to be, and this is the first time I've seen your name in awhile.

    The Toy Run is a good memory...I'll be happy to have those pics!
     
  23. kare

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    I am very dissapointed every time I hear these cars are totaled because repairs do not make economical sense. They are not supposed to, it's supposed to be a hobby - you don't get paid for playing golf either! Unless my car burns to the groud I am prepared to fix any kind of damage it will suffer, never concult an insurance company, never whine about money and never look back. I wish the "so and so" cars will soon all get parted out that the remaining cars can find owners who are up to treat their cars with respect they deserve.
     
  24. jsa330

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    I should have never started this thread to begin with, or re-entered the discussion...but since I did, my last words in regard to #5409 are:

    -No one but ME has any business telling ME what I should have done with what was MY car.

    This is a real contradiction...on a board largely populated by free-enterprise, private-property-rights-loving capitalists, there are some folks who start coming across as awfully socialistic when it comes to handing out advice to others on what to do with their cars.

    -Yes, my greatest hope was that it would go to someone who sincerely wanted to bring it back. That's why I did everything I could to help and encourage ArtS in his coming to Dallas and bidding on the car at the insurance auction.

    -I wish the current owner all success in selling the car, and still hope it ends up with someone who will repair and restore it.

    -If a restoration can't happen, I would rather see the car get rebodied with the s/n intact than be completely broken up and parted out.

    Economically-driven realities are often bitter and seemingly-unfair realities. Fine old homes get torn down to make way for McMansions. Nice old Ferraris get rebodied and parted out.

    My suggestion: One of you self-righteous advice-givers should step up to the plate, buy #5409, and restore it.

    Over and out.
     
  25. krasnavian

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    I say put a '65 Dodge Dart body with GT badges on it and be done with it. Ceci n'est pas une Ferrari...
     

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