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Racing an E55 AMG in the mile

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  1. richard

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    Just watched the vid. HOLY $H!T the idle is ridiculous. Looks similar to the engine bay of my buddy's ZO6...then again I don't know a whole lote about chevy engine bays. Did you shoehorn an LS6 in there?
     
  2. sherpa23

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    So Rob, the suspense is killing me. When are we going to find out about the race? When is it going to happen? When are wegoing to find out who won?
     
  3. F360@20

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    Hey, the video is sick. And let me clear make this clear I want you to win and you must win and im sure you will. BUT how do you know the AMG is not putting it down too. He has FI car like i said before it does not take much to make a car that is boosting even faster.

    >Guys, robs car is not stock vette! He made my friends 350hp camaro look like it was standing still on a friendly run from a 40mph roll...

    350hp is nothing when were talking stock 450plus and it was a roll.

    Hey screw it... YOU KNOW YOU GOT HIM, KILL HIM. behind you all the way!
     
  4. F360@20

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    DAMN it sorry about the typing AGAIN. I'am trying to read something has I was typing.
     
  5. robiferretti

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    Probably sunday, as long as the weather is good, i'll keep you guys up to date no worries!
     
  6. Z06Kal

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    I really doubt Rob's car is even close to stock. Considering he is talking 6 point roll cage, fire suit and what not he is prolly running 9's in the 140-155mph range with a mini tub and some big big tires in the back. A mid 12 second E55 trapping 116mph is nothing for Rob to lose sleep over. Those people who think "1000hp isn't any good if you can't hook up" yea well I'm sure that a mini tub running 14" wide slicks in the back will hook up a little better then the launch control and all season tires of the E55. Plus mile long runs are about horsepower a bad launch will be easily made up with a big power difference. I raced a 2004 E55 with a pulley and chip in my bone stock 405hp Z06 and the car barely pulled me from 60-160 talking maybe 4 car lengths at most. My car is a turd compared to what Rob is prolly running in his car. I pulled a 2004 E55 in my 7 year old BPU Supra with $800 in mods without much fuss. This car is not the end it all of high speed racing not even close. DAMN fast for a super cushy comfortable luxery car but thats about it.
     
  7. vraa

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    I think it's been decided, the Z06 if modded will win, but be wary, if that W211 AMG has no speed limiter, it just keeps on accelerating forever!
     
  8. C. Losito

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    Just to let you know, an E55 without a speed limiter will break 200mph.
     
  9. C. Losito

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    Corrections:
    The E55 does not have all season tires (at least not from the factory)
    I don't see slicks on Robi's car
    Where I come from, 4 car lengths = schooled
     
  10. KennyH

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    Aerodynamics?
     
  11. AnotherDunneDeal

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    An E55 without a speed limiter will break 200 mph????? Where is the information to back this up located. Yes, it is a fast car but 200 mph?
    This is rarified atmosphere in that speed range. I would have to see real proof of the Benz being able to pull that off without a lot of mods............
     
  12. vraa

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    The E is aerodynamic.. or looks it.. :)

    I wouldn't doubt the W211 hitting 200+.
     
  13. KennyH

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    I doubt it'd make it past 190; the 550 barely hits 200 if at all...
     
  14. vraa

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    But you forget, the 550 wasn't designed to be a top speeder on the Autobahn. I think that should play a role, the W211 keeps pulling and pulling even when you hit the limiter.
     
  15. F360@20

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    Well why does someone just run the numbers. MPH per RPM = TOP SPEED.

    At least that worked in traffic court.
     
  16. KennyH

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    The Enzo hits 209-- and it has 660 hp and was designed function over form..
     
  17. C. Losito

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    My appologies, guys. I'll be sure and back that up next time. Here's a few explainations:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3822-524901,00.html
    " Until then we should be more than happy to have the SL 55 AMG, S 55 AMG, CLK 55 AMG, and E 55 AMG making up for half a century's lost time. All are the product of Mercedes' in-house tuning division, all use the same supercharged 5.5 litre V8 and all would beat 200mph if they weren't limited to 155mph."

    http://www.carsdirect.com/research/mercedesbenz/e55_amg/2004/base/reviews?code=-2
    "The four-headlight theme introduced on the previous E-Class, now the standard at Mercedes, has been refined in the new car. The new front end is lower and is more steeply raked. The design produces a class-leading 0.27 coefficient of drag (minimizing wind noise and maximizing fuel economy), but the E55 AMG offers slightly more drag, if you can call 0.28 drag, with its extra body add-ons. "

    It's a 200mph car, but the tires won't take the heat (car is too heavy).

    *EDIT*:
    According to renntech:
    18. How fast would be a completely delimited E55?
    Due to the longer gear ratio and the powerful engine, the top speed of the E55 is estimated at minimum 330 kph, if not even slightly more.
     
  18. JaguarXJ6

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    I believe it can do it stock. My car will do 150mph, 245bhp/280tq with a drag of .36. The XJR will do 155 limited and unrestricted 171-176mph, 370bhp/390tq with a drag of .36.

    The E55 has 485bhp/515tq with a drag of .28 (not a typo) and unknown lift coefficient, I believe it can do it.

    The twin turbo V12 in testing was able to reach 202mph. The power output was 495bhp/590tq.

    A tuned RS6 with 543bhp/530tq and a drag coefficient of .28 on a standard tranny can go 195mph unrestricted.

    Ok, so with *light* tuning, you willing to still say no way? :D

    Sunny
     
  19. KennyH

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    200MPH his a magical number; I'd like to see it for myself..
     
  20. robiferretti

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    another thingit needs is gear ratio. some cars are gear limited some are aerodynamically limited.

    If the car is governed at 5500 in 5th on a 7000 rpm redline (say its a 5 speed automatic) that means at 155 mph its at 5500 is it going to pull another 45 mph in 1500 rpm???
     
  21. C. Losito

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    My '96 C36 runs about 3250rpm at 80mph. It's supposed to hit 155mph, and I'm guessing that'll be at 6250rpm (about 200 shy of the redline). Therefore, I gain 75mph in 3000rpm, or roughly 37.5mph in 1500rpm. Mine's a 4spd. auto.
     
  22. JaguarXJ6

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    Hmm, according to tests on Fast Saloons, the '02 E55 can reach 155mph in 4th gear. 2 gears to go.

    The XJR can reach at redline 6100rpm at 170mph with a 2.87 to 1 final drive and a gear ratio of .69 on 18" 255/40's. The drag is horrible at .35-.36, the E55 should be able to reach 202mph (hmm there's that number again) with a 2.65 to 1 final drive and a .65 gear ratio on same size rims. I can't find info on the last gear ratio. Coincidence?

    Sunny
     
  23. Z06Kal

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    You guys can bench race all you want here is some hard evidence performed by Motortrend.

    http://www.motortrend.com/motor/roadtests/coupe/112_0306_spdtest_standm_z.jpg

    You can clearly see that the CL55 AMG which makes 493hp 517tq still couldn't beat the Z06 in a standing mile race. The E55 makes 24hp LESS then the E55 will probably run similar or slower numbers in a standing mile as the extra weight of the CL poses less of an issue at speed. So clearly if a stock Z06 can beat it in a standing mile then a heavily modified C5 will have no trouble there.

    Now for all those people claming how the E55 will go 200mph and what not. It will probably run damn close to 200mph but not sure if it will actually reach it. The Brabus modified SL600 with 640hp did 204.3 using GPS confirmation on the huge top speed 8 mile/lap banked circle track in Italy. Makes me doubt that the E55 with some 170 less horsepower will be able to run within 4mph of that.
     
  24. Senna1994

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    The E55 is a 5spd Auto not a 6 spd auto. Unless you guys have seen the numbers and can show it, 200 mph means nada. And who is the joker making the remarks about a 550 not designed for top speed. The 550 set a production top speed record a few years ago at Texas and eclipsed the old ZR-1 record set for 24 hours.

    It's easy to guess top speeds but unless you have seen it proven it does not mean a thing. The CL55 AMG with its top speed limiter removed hit 187 in Motor Trend magazine, granted it has a greater frontal area than the E55.
     
  25. C. Losito

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    .1 seconds faster? I can guarantee that the Benz will run the exact same time (or very close to it) every time you try that. I would like to see someone launch the C5 exactly the same way every time. I posted the data above, even Renntech claims the E55 will do 200, and they tune the car. Would Lingenfelter lie to you about the speed cababilities of a modified corvette? No, because they want to make a good name for themselves, and so do Renntech.

    That CL55 did not have the limiter removed, it was reset to a higher level.
     

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