racing belts

Racing belts aye.......very nice what colour did you order?

Hang on i'll go and have a look over mine and get to you later

 

All I had to do was lift off the standard access point cover and attatch the eye bolt and belts. Oh wait! I have an '89.....no mouse belts!!
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Turned out nice mate

 

No worries, I just went and had a look at mine, easy job to do

1. Pull your seat to towards the steering wheel and tilt it forward
2. Place a piece of rag over a large flat blade screw driver and gently on each outer corner of the corner trim pry up gently.
3. After you pop off the two front trim clips pull the cover towards yourself as there is a metal tang that put pressure on the rear of the trim to hold it in position and pull the trim along the belt towards yourself
4. Re-install the same ways as removal with your new racing belts

Hope this was the information you were chasing mate
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PAP, what's all that dust

 

That's from my brother the malaka

I store it in his shed when I am not out crusing in it and it gets a bit dusty in there from time to time. He shows all his mates the inside of her and leaves the doors open time to time while they do so, thanks for the reminder I must remember to use his best shirt to clean it up next time I am over there again

 

Where do you connect all those ends of the racing harness? For a 4 point harness f.e.? Under the cover i can only put one of the two back points of the harness. And the second one where do you put that?

 

Ingenre,

Please take no offense at my comments below. When I see this kind of belt set-up I cringe. Please do some research yourself as to the safety of that system. I want all FCer's to live a long happy life enjoying the hobby. When you pull a 5th point sub over the front of the seat you do NOT retain the antisubmarine function of the harness. When you use stock seats without shoulder harness holes the shoulder straps can dump off your shoulders in a crash. You may be less safe with your harness than the OEM ferrari dot legal seatbelts. Here is my understanding of the most "minimal" compromised harness system you can use with stock seats with not seat holes. Use a 6 pt parachute style harness set-up with a H-shoulder strap or a H retention strap as shown here that goes behind your neck to prevent shoulder harness spreading. There is no substitute for a proper racing seat and proper harness install. A stock seat should not be used on the track but we all know dual street/track users use them. Consider a conversion to 6pt parachute to maintain anti-sub function. Do something to prevent the shoulder harness from dumping off the shoulders.
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I hope noone uses racing harnesses with seats like on the picture! Thats insane. Also i saw pictures of installations where both ! backbelts of the harness were mounted to the stock point were the stock seatbelt is connected to. Thats also not good. Thats why i'm asking.
I think i'm welding some reinforcements to the chassis and connect the harness to it like on the challange versions. And ofcorse use an racing seat wich is made for that kind of harness.
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Samy

 

Samy,

Yes weld a plate to the back firewall like the challenge cars used. You can make it easy with 3/16" plate drilled and tapped for eye rings to snap the harness into. Or You can fab a harness bar to the B piller in most cars stock shoulder belt attachment point but not in the 348. The 348 has shoulder belt retractor recepticales that some have attached harness bars to. Plugzit did it perhaps he will share a picture of his very clean installation for a dual use street/track car. His method avoided lots of cutting and no welding to the car.

 

The belts that I have, use a common mount and then 'Y' into the two shoulder harnesses.

 

Here's one harness bar example...
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Hi,
Can somebody explain me the diff between the "normal" and the "mouse" belt?
No,I don't know it...never had a 348...
Speedman

 

There are two tabs on either side (outside) of the top of the box that screw into the bulkhead just under the rubber moulding of the window. The tabs are covered by the long thin trim pieces running along the bottom of the rear window - that is why you can't see the screws. Remove that trim and you can unscrew the belt reel cover.

 

To keep it simple - "normal" here describes the belts that have the reel mounted outboard near the side window glass and cross over to the center of the car over the occupant's shoulder. See Pap's earlier picture of the reel in this thread.

The "mouse" belts have the reels mounded in the center (see my picture of the box with two slots in it) and they cross over the occupant to the outside...connecting to a motorized male latch connection that runs by itself up and down the sill to let the occupants out of the car when the door is opened and belt them in automagically when the doors are closed.

My understanding is this diabolical invention was created as a way to comply with the passive restraint requirements of the US market since airbags weren't included in the 348.

Diabolical because the mice have no detente to stop them if, for say some reason, your fingers or toes happened to be in the way. This experience along with inadvertently losing the rear end of your 348 on a wet road are two of the things all people do at least once in a 348 before you learn to avoid it.

 

Plugzit's bar is just like pellegrino's. Pellegrino please fix your shoulder harness adjusters to no be like this picture. make sure you move the adjuster up to the bar and then double back the tag end through the adjuster so that the harness does not come through the adjuster in a crash.
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You can see proper fold back of webbing and adjusters here

http://www.racerwholesale.com/image2/PDF/harnessinstall.pdf

 

"Plugzit's bar is just like pellegrino's. Pellegrino please fix your shoulder harness adjusters to no be like this picture. make sure you move the adjuster up to the bar and then double back the tag end through the adjuster so that the harness does not come through the adjuster in a crash."

Good suggestion - I even noticed that one passenger strap wasn't even completely through the buckle.

One small detail - Mine are the opposite of the warning picture and show the tension end going underneath the slack end as they are supposed to. The tension side pressures the slack end inside the buckle in the event of an accident...the way mine are set up. In the warning picture attached to FatBillyBob's first message...the tension end is above...hence useless...it will just pull through.

I think looping it back is a good suggestion and will do. (The belts in the pic can't be looped back because the slack end runs underneath.)

thx!

 

Thanks,GLPELLEGRINO,
Now I understand why I had no ID of that:we don't have the mouse system in Europe....I am aware of the US system on later cars,but I didn't know they call it 'the mouse system"....
Thanks anyway!!
Speedman

 

With a car like that and your winning the cleanist 348 thread! I feel some money has been passed under the table here

Dont know if this is true or not, but I wouldnt leave doors open. I heard a rumor that they tent to sag a little. Also while jumping in or out of your car and leaning on the doors can do this. This will cause problems when closing your doors. - hope it makes sense.