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Radios - Should they be outlawed?

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Should (and how) radios be permitted?

  1. Radios should be outlawed

  2. Radios are ok, but not for driver coaching

  3. Let 'em at it. It's all fair game

  4. What's a radio? ;)

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  1. LightGuy

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    For me personally I'd like to see them banned because it makes the driver's wisdom and choices a more significant part of what makes a WDC a WDC.

    For the entertainment aspect of the sport in general leave them in.
     
  2. Fast_ian

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    They'll all still do their practice starts and monitor clutch temp etc, then they'll dial in the bite point as they do today once plugged in on the grid. Seems they just can't talk about it anymore!.....

    Don't know if you saw the Sky report where rather than doing the usual grid walk, he 'lived' with the Williams guys from the beginning of their 'start up procedure' (45 minutes ahead of time!) though to plugging it in on the grid and setting the clutch etc, interesting stuff! (IIRC, someone posted a link to it somewhere?)

    Cheers,
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  3. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :)

    I just don't see how it could hurt Merc any more than the others?

    FWIW, I'm also pretty sure it was, once again, the teams themselves that asked him to do it too. I believe they asked for a new regulation, but Charlie pointed out it's already there in the "alone & unaided" clause. His technical directive simply warned them that it's now going to be enforced, as they wanted.

    Cheers,
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  4. VIZSLA

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    And why would the teams want it now?

    They may not be the only team that benefits from this sort of information but its clear that they rely on it. Other teams may be more than willing to take a small hit if it means hobbling MB.
     
  5. Bas

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    yeah I saw it. IIRC they still at times make adjustments to the start settings during the formation lap, so they now have to completely set it up before that and if it still isn't right adjust at own risk etc.
     
  6. VIZSLA

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    Is there any way that even the most skilled driver will be able to make an informed choice of settings?
    If not the rationale fails.
     
  7. Fast_ian

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    A valid opinion; Could certainly argue it that way too.

    However, if we go down that path, should displaying their lap times & deltas etc in real time be outlawed? Should they outlaw shift lights? They're all 'driver aids' after all....

    Cheers,
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  8. VIZSLA

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    It's about balance. You can't have the cars drive themselves neither can we go back to Stone Age tech.
    If F1 is the apogee of racing tech you need a strong case to ban any innovation.
     
  9. Fast_ian

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    Maybe. But I don't think it's going to hobble them either. As Bas noted, they'll still overlay all the telemetry once they get back in the pits. Just means they can't do it real time anymore.

    Agree that it does change things some in the race, as they can no longer be told where they're gaining/losing relative to their 'mate, but I'm not sure that's a big deal anyway.

    Not allowing them to receive info on tire condition I find interesting too; I think that could cause a little "chaos" at times, but they'll deal with it.....

    Cheers,
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  10. Fast_ian

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    In the case of the clutch at least, I don't think it matters. I believe they put it into some kind of data-gathering mode when they make their practice starts ahead of the formation lap. Then they get plugged in on the grid, said data is analyzed (if not done already) and bite point set accordingly.

    Cheers,
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  11. Fast_ian

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    Having said that, we'll still get to see some of them making blinding starts and others doing a Webber'esque moonwalk!. ;)

    And long may that continue!

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  12. Ney

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    I say enough of this direct connect push to talk crap. If they want to communicate with the pits and vice versa, let them do it like everyone else on the road today....cell phone and text.

    Car broke down on the circuit, fine, call back to the pits. Just wait until you see Pastor text and drive. Text coming in before the hairpin.....pick up the celly and drive with your knees like everyone else! Just try to answer that Iphone 6+ with your nomex glove on, I dare you....:) Lew Ham comes in, gets, four fresh soft tires, but is slow away because he was texting Nicole...

    This, of course, would effectively ban the use of communications, unless the car is parked.
     
  13. ernie

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    Radios are good.
     
  14. YAMVS6

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    too many rules,what does it matter if all the teams are doing the same thing,theres no advantage
     
  15. Bas

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    Not really, unless he has a data cable plugged directly into his brain I'd imagine.

    I suppose it depends on how much that Mclaren screen can tell you. Perhaps the next thing to be banned is the computer to suggest it to the driver after the formation lap has gone.

    After that they really have to rely on getting a twitter feed in the car. ;)
     
  16. merstheman

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    Option 2 for me.
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    Don't laugh. If radios are outlawed they'll have someone from the Psychic Friends Network in the pits.
    Or smoke signals. Or a message wrapped around a Rock. Or...
     
  18. william

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    No time to catch up with all the posts at this point.

    Someone raised the safety issue; radios should be allowed to warn drivers of yellow flags, etc... Quite sensible comment.

    In that case, we could have radio communications ONLY from race control to the drivers, with no interference from the teams.

    I guess Charlie Witting could be the guy to announce yellow flags, pace car periods and so on...

    But what we don't need is constant coaching from the pits to the drivers.
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    "We interrupt this race to bring you a public service announcement"
     
  20. Estranged

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    If that rule was in place we would never had "Felipe Baby." The radio communications are sometimes fun to listen to during the race; I would rather keep it. There are plenty of stuff to get rid of.
     
  21. Fast_ian

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    FWIW, that's the one I went with too.

    And is pretty much what Charlie's shooting for.

    Somewhat surprisingly to me, that puts us firmly in the minority it seems! :eek: ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  22. 2003Enzo

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    I picked option two.

    It seems like certain drivers are using their teammates data a lot this year in order to improve lap times instead of doing the work themselves. To me it is a form of cheating and I liken it to copying the answers from the smart kid in front of you. Some are OK with this...hmmhmm Nico... but others are not.

    There is also the issue of the drivers having enough to think about already. Less talk, more driving!
     
  23. PowerSlide

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    option 2 for me as well

    driver coaching is not what i wana see in a race

    but using a real phone could make things more interesting, could help struggling teams with more advertising opportunity
     
  24. Fast_ian

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    Charlies words;

    So, there you have it..... ;)

    Cheers,
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    Charlie Whiting Singapore media briefing - Pitpass.com
     
  25. VIZSLA

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