Im looking for a website where I can compare the range of different planes where it shows a Map and with a circle the max range of each plane. Does anyone know where can I find it? Thanks
What you really need is a payload/range graph. That is you need to know is how far you can carry the payload you want to carry in the airplanes that you are looking at. If you just look at range it can be deceptive. Some airplanes have big tanks, but if you fill the tanks some of them can only fly with one or two aboard. You need to compare how far each airplane will fly with the load that you want to put in it. Problem is most airplane companies don't want you to be able to do that if their airplane isn't the best in the class. Here is a typical payload/range graph. You can generally patch together a set for a given class of airplanes if you get most of the points from flight tests and from the manufacturers data. Another good comparison is the NBAA range listed with two and four aboard, which includes IFR reserves. If you have the POH the data is usually in there in tabular form. What class of planes are you looking at? I have some at work for VLJ's and light turboprops that I can post tomorrow it that helps. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Do you have specific city pairs you need to be concerned with? At certain locations you may encounter higher temperatures and/or higher altitudes that will affect the aircraft performance. If flights to Hawaii are in your expectations then the choices go way down quickly. Westbound will be agains the wind and eastbound is with the winds. There are great buys available for corporate aircraft these days in all segments; I get e-mails daily. Jeff
Looking at this is deja vue all over again from having worked on so many Boeing airplane proposals. It was all about Payload/range. The variables that can be input are endless when you get away from the WX environment to wing parameters and other drag items down to the curve of the crown line behind the nose. Spoon and bottle every little thing. SWITCHES
Thanks for your help, I know there are many variables involved in the range equation, but I just needed a very general range map comparison, like the one on this website, unfortunately its only for the Sabre 65. http://www.denisonjet.com/index.php?p=rm&ID=50 Jeff there are really some great buys at the moment, in the past 2 days I have been offered a 92 GIV at 10.5 firm and an 87 Falcon 50 at 4.6, it is very tempting as if you can really get them at their lowest poin you can probably fly the plane a couple of years and when the market picks up you may even be able to sell them at a profit.
As good as those numbers for the G-IV (potentially a screeming deal) and the F-50 keep in mind what your operating costs are going to be. G-IIs are available around 2M but that is not that far from one years operating number. If you can afford and justify the big aircraft operation then they are a really fine way to travel. As you look at budgets think in terms of the entire annual flight department number not just fuel. Pilot, co-pilot, flight attendant (if a large enough aircraft), hangar rental & crew hangar office, insurance, catering, crew trip expenses, maintenance, etc. You may also want to set aside annual money for future expenditures like paint and interior every 5 years or so. Some of the aircraft will have maintenance plans for the engines and APUs that would go into the annual budgets. If you intend to fly heavily then you may need more than one crew. In a higher market level even the BBJs have seen a huge price drop. Maybe 9 months ago a used BBJ would come to maket at $70M but now they can be bought at $45 to under 50M. If you wish send by PM your long range city pairs and I may be able to give some guidance. Jeff
Jeff I know about the operating costs, I really dont need the larger plane, we currently fly a Falcon for an average of 350-400 hours a year, actually in Mexico costs like the crew, hangar, fuel etc.. are much lower than in the US, for example I own the hangar which is large enough and only pay around $700 USD a month to the airport for space rental, a good jet crew here will cost around $10,000 USD per month or less now that the peso is so weak against the dollar, fuel is really cheap right now I dont have the latest number but it has been dropping constantly since the beginning of the year, considering a friend bought an 89 GIV around 3 years ago and paid 16.5, 10.5 for this 92 is a great deal for a modern Gulfstream.
If you wish send me the serial number of the 92 G-IV as I may know the aircraft. A G-IV is always a wonderful ride. Fast, 4,000+ nm range, large enough inside to be really comfortable and enough performance that hot/high conditons aren't a real consideration. A former client used to regularly do Oslo/Seattle. An aquantance did Seattle/Maui when the Citation X would not do the mission. If the G-IV is what you want to seriously look at then I have a friend that has flown various G-IVs and can answer specific questions you might have. Nearly comparable to the G-IV for range but less seating would be some of the Challenger 601 iterations or a 604. A Falcon 900 will also give the same level of range. Hope this helps some. Jeff
Jeff I will talk to my pilot as he is the one that recieved the offer and get the information on the GIV to see what info there is available. Thanks for your help
GIV is a wonderful airplane, as is the Falcon 50 (I have lots of time in Falcon 50s, none in GIVs sadly). There are UNBELIEVEABLE deals out there right now. Ignore the asking prices, and make some low offers and see who bites-- you'll be amazed. As an aircraft broker I know says, "In this market, there are no ridiculous offers-- because there are no offers AT ALL!" As for other Gulfstreams, there is a GII on controller.com asking $500k, and I have been told you can get into a GIII for around $1MM. Of course, your annual cost to operate a GII or GIII, even in Mexico, will be more than $1MM... A GIV is really the way to go.
