Just ran into this at www.Sportauto.cc Why'd you have to go and do this Mr. Jones If I didn't have a 348, I would be all over this. one of 32 cars imported yours for $69k http://www.sportauto.cc/inventory_ferrari/1994_348_challenge/index.htm Image Unavailable, Please Login
First off, it's not a GTB. That was a Euro model with different intake plenium and 320hp. It's a tb "factory" challenge. Never had challenge kit installed. Stock 348 motor. ECU were same as SS/spider. Exhaust was same as SS/spider. Some that were actually raced had timing advanced. Very nice non-the less. It's #30 inline with 45 made. According to 348 factory challenge registry it's #1 of 32 tb's. Mines #4 of 32, but my # is 98399. Should have a plate with # on passenger door frame. These were added after the fact by the dealers, so may not have it. That's why #'s don't coincide with serial #. It was sold in '98 with 8400 miles. Major service in '03 with 10,771 miles. Now has 10,700. It's a garage queen. It needs a service. $69K. I bought mine last year 13,000 miles for $55.
Is it too obvious to note the mileage discrepancy? Nevertheless, I'm with u Doc. Overpriced despinte the low (and decreasing) mileage (think the odometer is in backwards?) and wouldn't u rather have a SS car?
The first clue was the mad mouse belts. Euro cars did not come with the stupid things, and the GTB's were ONLY sold new in Europe.
I thought that it was just a Summer bump, but this car seems to point to an actual trend upward in 348 prices.
No SS for me. I have a '94 factory challenge (black) just like the one for sale. I think the best of tb/ts's. Fabulous car. If I were into red and did not have one I would investigate this one. The price and ? odometer worries me. I did go back and look at the pictures. The add says 10,700 miles, but pictures of odo. read 13,577. So milage may be legit just misadvertised.
Rich (or anyone else)- does the SS/spider ECU and exhaust bring horsepower from 300 to 310? I'm not sure, but I believe the earlier 348's have 300hp and the later spider and SS have 310hp. -Andrew
It's a typo guys...the car has 13k miles and was serviced at 10k miles in 2003. With everything going on I make a mistake here and there. Best Steve www.sportauto.cc
I used to own one of these (#18). I had it on good authority that the ECU's were different from all other 348's. It was kept kind of hush hush because Ferrari did not want to spend money re-certifying the model. I am not a big fan of 348's, but I did put 15K on mine before selling it and I think the 94 TB factory challenge cars are the best 348's made, at least for the US. I sold mine in 2001 with a full factory challenge kit (not iinstalled) and 16K miles for 68K. I know the market has weakened since then. Dave
PS: Now that I look at it, I am virtually positive this car was owned by one of my local friends here in Colorado. The silver painted challenge wheels are the tip off. I can tell you that this car was pampered to death while in his possession and the shop that did the work had a top notch reputation. (they have since retired). If memory serves, I think he sold it in Nov. 2004 and I remeber it went to the southest. Dave
No, these had stock 2.7 ECU's. In '94 there were 45 factory challenge cars made, but any 348 could be brought to challenge specs and raced. The ECU's were stock 2.7 sealed and were (doubtful) supposed to be checked. That was the reg, these could not be modified. If Ferrari put different ones in the '94 challnege cars that would give an unfair advantage to the other converted cars in a controlled race situation. The timing could be advanced, but only up to preset holes in the cam. Similar to Euro timing. The '94 challenge may have had that set at the factory? I agree that the challenge cars were the best 348's with solid suspension bushings, stiffer springs, shorter gearing. The previous owner of my car claimed it was faster than a street 355. That fact and the rarety of a true factory challenge does not seem to command a premium in price like the 360 CS.
I know of two sources who were not trying to sell me one that the ECU's are,in fact, programmed differently, but the difference, if any, is not very important. The previous owner of your car lied or was deluding himself. I tracked mine frequently with 355's and the difference in power was pretty dramatic. I overtook some 355's in twisties, but the drivers were not very good. The 348 is no match. Period. Still the best 348. If more people knew about them, they would, no doubt, be worth more. Dave
I have scanned in the Motronic 2.5 air/fuel/timing-advance maps as well as scanned in the Motronic 2.7 maps from my 348 Spider. I would *love* to scan in and compare these maps to the fuel curves in the 348 Challenge and Competizione. I can also graph these maps in color 3D, and they look pretty cool (sample of my work below). If you know anyone who has these chips, please...please send them my way. Ditto for the aftermarket 348 chips (e.g. superperformance, CCC, etc.). I can quickly tell and show you the differences, if any, between any models once I get these chips. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I saw this today. I'm wondering if Steve's offer to take the 328 I bought from him a few months back in trade is still valid. This thing is SWEET!
Some one is trying to sell something? The ECU were stock US 348 per the challenge regulations. They were OEM Ferrari part supplied by Ferrari and could not be modified for the challenge series. Someone or some teams may have modified there ECU illegally, but they did not come from the factory that way. These were previously posted here in Feb. I don't protest to there accuracy or were they came from, but it appears at least on Fiorano test track the 348 CH is as fast as a 355 F1 and faster than a 355 6 speed. LAP TIMES PISTA DI FIORANO 1'18"90 360 N-GT 1'22"30 Enzo (2003) 1'22"40 360 Challenge 1'25"40 355 Challenge (1997?, wing, slicks, Nicola Larini) 1'26"50 355 Challenge (1995, no wing, streets) 1'27"00 F50 1'28"00 F50 (1995) 1'28"00 360 Challenge Stradale 1'29"60 F40 1'30"00 F40 (1987) 1'30"00 360 Modena 1'31"50 360 Modena 1'31"50 F40 (Gerhard Berger) 1'31"51 575M Maranello 1'32"53 550 Maranello 1'33"00 348 Challenge 1'33"00 575M Maranello 1'33"00 F355 F1 (1997) 1'34"00 F355 (1994) 1'34"00 550 Maranello (1997) 1'35"00 F512M (1995) 1'35"00 512TR (1992) 1'35"00 456GT 1'35"00 Maserati 4200GT 1'36"00 Testarossa (1984) 1'37"00 348TB (1989) 1'37"00 288GTO (?) 1'37"00 Porsche 959 (?) 1'40"00 456GT (1992) Richard
I think that number is for a challenge car fully outfitted i.e. lowered suspension, slicks, changed cam timing, etc. The times for a stock example would be closer to the 89 TB number. I can tell you from first hand experience, it is no match for a 355, especially in the power dept. Dave
The times were posted on another thread. I don't know the set up of the cars, but certainly as you claim the 348 CH had hotter ECU's as well as updated suspension with factory installed stiffer springs, solid bushings. On top of that the factory CH was lighter than stock model. My car has been lowered with (probably, sinced it was raced) advanced timing, etc. Minus slicks. Based on posted times, if the previous owner said it was faster than a street 355 I would not doubt it. I doubt I will ever explore the limits of the car to know. I would have no argument that an '89 348 would not keep up, but that was not my original statement!
