I've whined before about kerb weights going up. This is somewhat more serious, I think. I test drove an Alfa 164 recently (I love Alfas!) and was disappointed in the turning circle (most FWD cars are like that anyway). It wasn't that bad but geez, you take manoeuverability for granted in your own car until you try one less so. I just checked the Ferrari F355's turning circle. The Alfa's was 11.2m or something like that. The Ferrari's was 12m!! WTF? (EDIT: that's more than a Jag XJ). A front-driven car, with all its limitations, has a smaller turning circle than a smaller 2-seater? Another thing I don't get: the 360 (and I think its successors) have a significantly off weight distribution ratio. It's about 42/58. And it's a mid-engined car for what? Even the Quattroporte is closer to 50/50. And BMWs are pretty damned close to ideal. Now, okay, I don't own nice cars like Quattroportes, M3s or F355s. But this isn't armchair philosophizing. I mean, the turning circle issue is important if you're going to drive the damned thing on the road (like you're supposed to, because cars are not trophies). So. What gives?