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Rebuild or Repaint?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by carb308vt, Jun 5, 2007.

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  1. carb308vt

    carb308vt Karting

    Apr 12, 2005
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    Some thoughts please from the Ferrari community.

    I have a 78 308 with about 75K on the dial. Still relatively crisp but a bit smokey and fumey. The paint is severly checked-to the point that at meets some people think it was a factory option to have alligatized silver paint.
    Cost of an engine rebuild is roughly the same cost as a bare metal repaint.
    Hard to think which I need more. Rebuild the engine and get rid of the smoke/fumes but stuck with paint issues. Car seems to have another 15-20k more without a rebuild. Any thoughts?
     
  2. rtking

    rtking Formula Junior

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    For me, functionality comes first. After all, if the motor goes, you'll have a beautiful car that doesn't go anywhere. With that said, I'd probalby look into rebuilding the motor first. If the paint isn't horrible, you might be able to get a high quality repaint without having to go with the "bare metal" repaint. There are some excellent body shops that can lay down beautiful paint for $3 - 5K.

    Bob
     
  3. carb308vt

    carb308vt Karting

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    Thanks Bob.

    I would agree that functionality come first. I don't have any immediate problems with the engine besides a little smoke. She is still pretty strong and I'm easy on her. The paint- I've looked into so far- the checking goes down to the primer. any paint put over-the cracks will come back I'm told. I certainly don't need a concours paint job-after all this is a driver. I've also kept the engine up with regular service intervals but I can smell her from down the block:) i just wish there was a way to stabilize the paint so that I didn't have to do a bare metal job.
     
  4. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You will not get a worthwhile respray on a 308 for $5K unless you do all the disassembly. (As a point of reference, a professional front bumper respray on a 328 runs the better part of $1K.) I'd estimate a proper disassembly/respray on a 308 will be pushing $10K, and there will be things under the paint that need attending on a 29-year old car with no rustproofing. Check out Newman's '79 308 restoration thread. Amazing stuff. Maybe you don't want to go to that level, but honestly I'd feel bad about spending $5K on a temporary/mediocre paint job.

    Then if you do a proper respray you'll want the interior freshened, because you'll have a car that looks great outside, has a tired interior, and has a failing engine. And of course while the engine's out there's a lot of stuff in there that should be attended to.

    I'm sort of the extremist here, but I would say plan to spend $25K+ restoring this car, or sell and move on. 308 restoration doesn't pay yet, except that it's your car and maybe you want to bring it back to its glory.
     
  5. carb308vt

    carb308vt Karting

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    Thanks Jon,
    I have checked out Neumans resto. I've already redone the interior, rebuilt or replaced shocks, radiator fans, water pumps 2x, Upgraded 16"wheels, belt change, Cam bearing seal replacemnt (engine out), so that's about 25k right there. I guess I could sell but I fell like I've painted half the house. The thought of another 25k makes my knees weak but I have to admitt I've grown attatched.
     
  6. betelgeuse

    betelgeuse Karting

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    If you don`t have any rust I think you can get a decent paint job for $5k. Remember guys we live in northern N.E., labor is cheaper here. The new base/clear coats are pretty easy to work with. My BMW ( daily driver ) had serious road rash. I had maaco do a signature paint job on it. Cost me $1500 and it looks great. Nowhere near perfect, but what the hell, its a 10 year old daily driver (salty winters and all ). Perfection costs a lot of money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I would take care of the motor/mechanicals first. Mechanics around my new paint job ( no matter how much it cost ) would make me nervous. BTW I`m not suggesting that you have maaco paint your Ferrari, but they can do a decent job.
     
  7. spiderseeker

    spiderseeker Formula 3

    Jul 22, 2005
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    I'd do as suggested- get the engine done first, then, to save money, strip the car yourself and take it to a good paint shop.
    Most of the cost of a quality paint job is the labor to take the car apart and put it back together again. While they're doing the body work and paint, you can be detailing the pieces that you took off. That way you get a $10k paint job for $3k (maybe less if no bodywork is needed).
    The savings on the paint job will pay for the engine work !
     
  8. Fred2

    Fred2 F1 World Champ
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    If the base paint is checkering, there is no way to get a good paint job on top of it. It must be stripped.
     
  9. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    +1

    And if you're going to disassemble everything for a respray, I would take this once-in-a-long-while opportunity to go over every inch of the car for rust. I would be surprised if you find none.

    I didn't realize you'd done the interior already - sounds like a keeper that deserves to be done right over time.
     
  10. Matt308

    Matt308 Formula Junior

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    I just had the engine on mine rebuilt a couple years ago and my paint is doing the same as yours. I figure drivability first.
    Every now and then I think about getting it painted, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm happy to drive my car without worrying about stone chips, door dings, little scratches and weather. Besides, with little kids around, these things happen more frequently than they should!
     
  11. tatcat

    tatcat F1 World Champ
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    do the mechanicals first. there is nothing better than a great running car. you can't see it from inside and when you blow past someone all they'll see are your taillights.
     

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