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Recirculation flap not operating

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  1. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Anyone know why my fresh air flap in the evaporator unit in front of car does not seem to move no matter what position i have the button on the HVAC panel?

    It's closed at the moment and i cannot get it to open.
     
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  3. RSO1091

    RSO1091 Formula 3

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    Happened to me a well. The small plastic pin on the actuator motor broke and the replacement is made of brass. Of course my actuator went south shortly after the initial repair, but that a story for another time. Bought my replacements from Daniel too.

    Good luck, Henry
     
  4. tr512

    tr512 Formula 3

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    Try a battery reset first before you buy anything.
     
  5. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Thanku for all replies.

    Going to do the battery reset ....see what happens
     
  6. pnicholasen

    pnicholasen Formula 3

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    If that doesn't work, remove the front trunk liner and you'll see the actuator/servo on the front of the air box unit right by the flap. It's only held on by 2 screws. Undo those, pull the actuator off and you'll immediately see if the pin that runs from it to the flapper is broken. If not have someone push the open/close button for recirculation and see if the servo motor runs. If that doesn't work try wiggling the plug going into the back of the climate control computer box.
     
  7. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Thanks Paul...will do
     
  8. cf355

    cf355 F1 Rookie

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    I think the O.P said the flap was still closed....if the pin was broken the flap would just drop down (ask me how I know :( ).
    Definitely take the motor out and hook it up to 12 volts before you order any parts.
    There was another post on here that quoted the service manual.....stating that the door was normally closed most of the time.......
     
  9. cf355

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    Heres the other post....read the second post ....conditions under which flap only opens every 10 or 20 minutes on a timer ...

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355-sponsored-bradan/483357-f355-aircon-recirculation-flap.html?highlight=hvac+flap
     
  10. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Thanks CF
    Complicated.....

    If the stop button is activated so the automatic system is shut off then surely pressing and releasing the recirculation button would make the flap open and close.... Or is there more Italian voodoo at play?��
     
  11. Christian Sasfai

    Dec 31, 2012
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    In troubleshooting/learning mine, I have realized that the environmental ECU seems to have a mind of its own (which, I suppose, is the whole idea of an ECU, but I digress). One thing I have learned - when the air diverters don't seem to be doing what you want or expect (select "face" but air goes to "defrost" for example), do a hard reset (disconnect and reconnect the battery) in any mode OTHER THAN "automatic". Mine seems to recalibrate itself only if the environmental controls are in, say, "fan 2" and "face". If I reboot in "auto" fan and "auto" air direction, it doesn't work. Early on, I changed the recirculation flap motor, but I don't think it was the problem - I think it was the reboot procedure I was doing.
     
  12. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    What is your recalibration process for the ECU?
     
  13. cf355

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    Look at the conditions of flap activation and see if they apply to you.
    I would also get an electrical contact cleaner (used for computers,ecu,ect) and clean the connections for the climate control panels.
     
  14. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Interesting and good to know
     
  15. ClydeM

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    Technical term?
     
  16. cf355

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  17. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Took the motor off...

    Plastic pin was broken....
    Also flap itself had come off its support hole opposite where the pin locates

    Fitted Hill Engineering metal pin
    Fussed about with getting the flap properly secured whilst at the same time screwing home the motor...

    Now my back hurts
    But the recirculation system works properly now
    Oh....

    There was a strip of foam that sits on the tubular metal support piece of the flap...mine was loose and was getting in the way of the flap opening and shutting smoothly...so i removed it.

    What did it do anyhow...anyone know?
     
  18. pnicholasen

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    #18 pnicholasen, Oct 17, 2015
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    Probably just to get a good seal when in recirculation mode.
    Can't beat a relatively cheap and easy fix. Of all the possible causes, this was the best one to have.
     
  19. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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  20. cf355

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    It does seal the airbox. Mine fell out as well so I put some contact cement on the foam strip and on the spot where it is installed....another easy fix.
     
  21. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Can you tell me where the foam strip actually installs?

    Did you cement it under the air box so that the uncemented section of it (on mine the strip has a crease running horizontally down its length) sits behind the metal support of the flap?

    Hard to explain!
     
  22. cf355

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    The foam strip seals the flap inside the top of the airbox (at the pivot point of the flap)... in the area where the replacement brass pin was installed.
    It is hard to explain :(
     
  23. Carmellini

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    I "think" my recirculation flap motor is working properly. When energized, it will close the flap (which is the up position). However, I don't understand
    the mechanics and what occurs when the motor is not energized? My flap stays in the up position? When the motor does not have power, is the motor
    shaft suppose to let loose or spin freely to allow the flap to drop down?
     
  24. Qavion

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    In theory, motor friction, gear friction and the gear ratio of the actuator drive should hold the flap in position. With such a heavy flap and given enough time and vibration, I suppose the flap would fall.

    But isn't the flap always powered with the ignition on?
     
  25. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

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    I have heard that the flap is heavy, but mine is like a wet noodle and has no weight? What am I missing?

    If the flap is always powered with ignition on, what happens when no power is passed thru the flap motor?
    When my motor is not connected to power, the shaft of the motor is rigid and does not seem to allow the flap
    to drop down? Is the motor supposed to reverse direction when de energized?
     

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