After the highly publicised divorce between Red Bull and Renault, what engine RB will have next year? Mercedes? Ferrari? Honda? Another ? And what about Toro Rosso ?
I suspect they will go for the Mercedes, provided they get the 'tyre pressure monitoring system' with on/off modes, which is currently a works team only option, everyone else has it fixed, like the traction control in their road cars, switched permanently on even if it says it's off. Haha
Benz engine in a Newey RB chassis is trouble for Hammy so I can't see it being done, especially after they signed him to an extension. Honda has an exclusive with Mcl so it has to be a Ferrari I would think.
You are probably right Paul, but I'm not sure Ferrari will let them have engines, they've not had a great relationship over the years, unless getting hold of young max as a consolation prize is offered? Now that would be a definite possibility then. Arrivabene said that Kimi has no second year option, meaning he has a year only and then he's gone. Gives max another practice year before the big chair beckons, learning at the foot of Vettel!
It was very interesting that Mercedes was already running the 2016 power unit.. maybe a bit of an indirect message, as if to say; the factory team will always have the latest power units, not the customer teams. It was also mentioned during the coverage of P2 on Friday that Mercedes said that May would have been the cut off month for new customer engine supplies, and the only way another team would be able to use mercedes power is if a current customer team were to drop their power unit... that could be Lotus if they get bought by Renualt.
Pretty sure RB will end up with Mercedes PU. Surely this could create an Monster for MB but they do recognize that the current straw of undefeated wins will not serve the sport in the long term. Beside that they will fancy the idea of being closely allied to a brand with a very young group of followers. Renault will need to focus on their own team and try to make clear that this year RB results were clearly not on the engine only. In typically French mode they will want to prove their point. For TR it will be more political. Renault could ask for TR to stay, with another promise of increased power. This also will put Renault in a financially better position as they have at least one costumer for their engine so they can earn some money there. If Matenschitz however wants to follow his temper( and I think he will) he will not offer Renault that possibility and TR will use another supplier. I think the PU of choice will come from Ferrari in this case. Several reasons for this but they will revolve around Max. 1 The rumors around Max going to Ferrari will prove to be true. Obviously RB will ask a lot of money for Max ( currently serving a 5 year contract with RB (not with TR!) But payment can and will be made by Ferrari PU's. 2 This will leave TR in a better financial position next year ( they would need to pay Renault) and will enable them to push for higher aim. Their desire to become 5th this year in the construction championship was highly compromised by the Renault PU but using a Ferrari PU will enable them to fight for 5th next year with much better feasibility. Personally, if their 2016 car proves as competitive as this year they could aim for even better. 3 Max will stay with TR for next year to gain a little bit more experience and will already be on the support of Ferrari which, when he will go to Ferrari in 2017, ease the transfer.
Red Bull's hopes of Mercedes deal are 'all but over' Red Bull's hopes of Mercedes deal are 'all but over' - Formula 1 News The top boss at Mercedes don't want it.
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I think the way Red Bull has been accusing Renault, and the constant recrimination by Horner, Marko and Mateschitz gave matter for thoughts at Mercedes. RB has been washing its laundry in public, forgetting that it had 4 years of success with the French. What does that tell? That RB is only interested in RB, and not in a partnership. When RB wins, it's Newey who gets praised. When RB looses, it's Renault's fault. True maybe, but that's not how a partnership works. In fact, the cars are labelled as Red Bull, not Red Bull-Renault and the French constructor gets hardly any mention - only when it fails. Why Mercedes would enter an association with such a tricky customer is beyond me. RB would always complain of not having the same quality of engines as the work team, bla, bla, bla ... Who wants that headache ? I think RB has created a bad situation for themselves. I cannot see why Ferrari should supply them with engines either. Red Bull is on the ropes, and that maybe even worse than the catastrophe at McLaren this year.
That would probably signals Mateschitz packing up with RB and TR for sale soon. I believe that Red Bull sees itself as a factory team, and reduced to be a customer team, the management will loose interest. That's what happens when the main sponsor is team owner at ther same time. RB has many outlets for his marketing campaign outside F1.
Ferrari would have no problem with Red Bull engine deal Ferrari would have no problem with Red Bull engine deal - Formula 1 News With Red Bull set to end its relationship with Renault, and with Mercedes having ruled out a supply deal with the Milton Keynes squad, Ferrari has emerged as Red Bull's only option for 2016. Good luck Ferrari !!
I'm still pretty convinced that they WILL get the MB PU in the end.... Matenschitz pulling out both RB and TR would kill F1 instantly and he simple can afford not selling but stalling.
There are all kinds of reasons a Merc engine will not be in a RB next year. There are plenty of reasons a Ferrari engine won't be in a RB next year. {But not quite as many.} Honda for the win?
Have Cosworth continued to develop the power unit they made to the new regs from last season? Could be an option if RB took a stake in the company.
Could Ferrari supply that many engines, thats a lot of engines to design and develop in a short amount of time? Honda might end up being a serious option.
Agree, RB have found themselves in a mess. You can only ***** and moan if you have a second option. Since there is not a clear second option, then they are going to get empty handed. Honda would be a good long term option, perhaps for 2017, but will all the finger pointing to Renault, they are not going to continue next year and Honda next year may not be ready to supply another team. Yes, ideally, there should be another manufacturer. VW?
Looks as if Red Bull could be in a pickle for next year. Suspect Honda may be the only choice left or Ferrari engines that are 2 or 3 steps behind the works unit.
I find it very hard to believe that RB got in this "mess" without covering their ass. So I don't They will end up with MB (or Ferrari) 100% Honda btw is exclusive with Mc and be honest, Although the no-PU of Renault sucks, the honda is currently even worse.
