Also, in Austria2023, Hamilton complained throughout the race about his car not being able to turn and about other cars going over the white line and Hamilton himself had a 5sec penalty for track infringements. Toto had enough of Hamiltons complaining and put a stop to Hamilton's complaining.
Sir Lewis Hamilton wasn't in a position to win EVERY race yet he never wanted to crash into another driver. My point was he never choose to retire the car while in a position to win. which debunks Hotshoe statement
My post said to provide proof of Sir Lewis Hamilton in a position to win a race and made the decision to retire the car. This has been provided.
That's not the point: Hamilton was ready to give up in several races when he had problems. This is documented. I understand the need to limit engine mileage in some circumstances, but that should be for the team to decide, IMO.
Name me an F1 driver, other than Alonso while at McLaren-Honda, that wanted to retire the car that wasn't in a position to win a race.
There were races when he had car problems, gotten penaltys, and still went on to win. This is also documented. My question is when was he in a position to win and chose to retire the car as was falsley posted.
Yes Alonso did. Are we including drivers who wanted to retire by crashing into someone? or just retire?
Now you're just being argumentative. HotShoe said Lewis says he wants to win, and asked to quit during a race that he made many mistakes in. So yes, it was a good example. That's all. Not an attack on you or lewis.
Nice, but that narrative isn't going to fly. (crashing into someone) We're talking about retiring the car at any point in the race by the driver only to overridden by team radio.
No. Hotshoe gives me no evidence that he did not want to win. He wasn't in a position to win. So he didn't have to make a decision to win or retire. I'm not in a position to buy a private jet. Doesn't mean I don't want to.
Yes, so are you saying lewis doesn't want to win? All he said was "Lewis says he wants to win". The argument was never does he want to win or not. And the argument was never a specific race that he was winning and he wanted to quit. You dreamed up those two arguments on your own because someone made a good point against lewis. Again, that's all. No big deal.
Not gonna fly? Why? Its documented that drivers choose to crash and reitre the race at the same time. But if you don't like that narrative lets throw it out. Other than Alonso, I'm sure there were others who wanted to retire a race.
It doesn’t matter if you’re in a position to win or not. Crying that you want to quit because things aren’t going your way is pathetic no matter the case. Even the announcers were embarrassed for him, as any sane sportsman would be. As usual you are incapable of being impartial and logical due to your blind allegiance to your messiah.
No. Lets go back to his post. "You mean like saying you want to win and then asking to retire the car when you can’t keep up" His words. He is making a correlation that retiring the car is evidence that he did not want to win that race. I'm saying he wasn't in a position to win. So we have no evidence of him choosing not to win, instead retiring.
Again, how many F1 drivers wanted to retire their car at any point in the race only to get overridden by team radio? I can't think of any F1 driver under the scenario. Only Hamilton.
Ha! Got you. You're assuming he is making a correlation between the two at a specific race when it sounds like he was just generalizing. He never said "that race" like you just did. Bottom line is this: Lewis wants to win every race, like all drivers. Lewis asked publicly to retire when he shouldn't have because he was having a bad day. I'm sure other drivers have and that is wrong also. That decision should be up to the team and not the drivers and its a terrible look for a driver to do that.
Ok so now you are changing your narrative a little. I saw it as you saying its evidence he didn't want to win. I've seen many drivers cry when things are not going your way, crash when things are not going their way, curse out their mechanics when things are not going your way etc. Include Sir Lewis Hamilton wanting to retire the car out of fustration. I'm cool with that. He has faught and won many times when things have'nt gone his way. He's won with all sorts of mishaps set backs in races, so he does'nt have to prove anything to me.
I didn't change my "narrative" at all. You just failed to comprehend the point I was making @Alexweav79 nailed it above in his succinct and accurate summation of my initial post.
Its so rare that this happens, but I'm sure Alonso and Sir Lewis Hamilton are not alone in this. Drivers who wanted to crash probably happens more
