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  1. P.Singhof

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    I am glad that your Fellow countrymen and the British press are far from hypocritical and that they took those years of Ferrari domination in such a sportive way and never demonized Schumacher
    Maybe now complaining about the tifosi on that matter might be hypocritical...

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    "At the Paul Ricard circuit we will be running an upgraded Spec 3 Power Unit on Max, Pierre and Daniil’s cars."

    Honda will introduce Spec 3 PU at Paul Ricard for both Red Bull drivers & Daniil Kvyat. Main focus has been on ICE and turbo.

    Tanabe adds: "Test-bench data shows a power increase over previous version of our PU. However, we know that we have not yet matched the figures from the manufacturers currently leading the championship. But it’s a step in the right direction and we will continue our development"

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    The 'slight' pressure from Red Bull LOL --


    Dr Helmut Marko and Max Verstappen are both wanting to see bigger performance steps from Red Bull’s engine supplier Honda.

    The change in supplier from Renault to Honda has seen Red Bull so far retain its position as the third-best team on the grid behind Mercedes and Ferrari.

    Red Bull and Honda recently celebrated their relatively drama-free one-year anniversary together, but Red Bull’s motorsport advisor would now like to see the Japanese manufacturers take greater risks in trying to deliver more speed to the car.

    “This years engine is incredible reliable,” Marko told Auto Motor und Sport.

    “There wasn’t a single failure. But we’d like to take a bit more risk in the future to get more power in return.

    “Even if it means starting from the back – with Max that guarantees having an exciting race.”

    In a separate interview, Verstappen has the same line of thinking as Marko and is wary of the threat that Renault and McLaren are starting to pose to Red Bull.

    “You could see in lap one I think we are missing some top speed to the top guys,” Verstappen said via RaceFans.net.

    “The McLarens behind are very quick on the straight.

    “The car balance is not too bad. We do need to gain a bit of performance from the car to be really competitive. We do need to make a bigger step also with the engine.

    “You could see the Renault over one lap they have a quite powerful ‘quali mode’ or whatever they use in lap one,” he added.

    “Afterwards they have to back it out, of course, and then you can see they are not a threat any more. But over one lap we can definitely improve a bit more.”


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  5. DF1

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    https://www.planetf1.com/news/marko-confirms-verstappen-has-red-bull-exit-clause/

    Red Bull fear Max Verstappen could be tempted to head for the exit door with Dr Helmut Marko confirming he has an exit clause in his contract.


    Verstappen is currently contracted to Red Bull until the end of the season, but he could have the option to leave sooner due to some of the finer details within his deal.

    Red Bull’s motorsport advisor, Marko, has reportedly confirmed to Auto Motor und Sport that there is a performance-related exit clause Verstappen can trigger which will allow him to talk to other teams.

    The article states that Marko would not confirm what the specific clause is, but speculation ranges from if Red Bull drop any lower than third in the Constructors’ Championship at a certain stage of the season.

    A more recent report from MARCA has suggested that Verstappen can start discussions with others if he has not won a race by the time the summer break kicks in after the Hungarian Grand Prix.

    Whilst there is uncertainty over what the clause actually is, there is no doubt that Mercedes would be the prime destination for Verstappen.

    The Silver Arrows had made an approach to sign him prior to his Toro Rosso debut in 2015 and, in one of Marko’s many claims, said that Mercedes boss Toto Wolff was in regular contact with Verstappen – something which Wolff later denied.

    Mercedes themselves will be once again weighing up their options with Valtteri Bottas working his way through another one-year extension, which expires at the end of the 2019 season.

    Bottas has proven to be Hamilton’s nearest title challenger so far this campaign but, with no victory since round four in Baku, he is losing precious ground to his team-mate.

    Verstappen, meanwhile, has secured five P4 finishes in the first eight races of the season and was quizzed about his future in the FIA Driver’s press conference in Austria on Thursday.

    “To be honest, I think it’s just important to see what the team bring in the upcoming races,” Verstappen said when asked if he could see himself leaving Red Bull as early as next season.

    “I’m not too worried about what’s going to happen next year or even beyond that. At the moment, I just want to focus on this project because I still think there is a lot of potential and we’re just get started.

    “But, like I said, of course I don’t want to keep driving until I’m 35 just for fourth, so we’ll see.”
     
  6. Bas Jaski

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    Unless the door opens at Mercedes I don't think it's wise to leave the Red Bull nest right now.

    Red Bull has steadily improved and tackled problems with their car.

    Honda still needs to improve, however. If they get a respectable power figure soon (big update in Monza or possibly Spa), I see no reason to leave for Ferrari for example.
     
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  7. nsxrebel

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    And just like I said before the season started, RBR Honda would get at least 1 win this season.
    Great race/win by Max, although there's much improvement to be had before they are WDC contenders.
     
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  8. william

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    I don't think Verstappen need the best car to win races or championship.
    As we have seen today, his bully tactics can make up for the deficiencies of his car !
    It's Schumacher revisited, it seems.
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/144871/the-teasing-f1-2019-question-with-no-easy-answer

    Honda believes there is no "easy answer" to whether it and Red Bull have closed in on Mercedes and Ferrari as much as the last two Formula 1 races suggest.

    Max Verstappen won last month's Austrian Grand Prix to give the Red Bull-Honda partnership its first victory, and should have finished on the podium in the British Grand Prix but was wiped out by Sebastian Vettel.

    That lost top-three finish, and a time penalty in Monaco where Verstappen had finished second, means Red Bull and Honda are denied a 50% podium record this season.

    While that would still leave the partnership well behind Mercedes (which has a podium from every grand prix this season) and even Ferrari (on the podium in eight of the 10 races) there are clear signs Verstappen is becoming a more regular threat.

    He thought he could have fought for pole at Silverstone, where Red Bull has traditionally had a major deficit in the V6 turbo-hybrid era, without a turbo lag issue.

    That was brought on by Verstappen trying to get on the throttle too quickly for the engine to handle without a discrepancy - a legacy of the Red Bull car improvements that have brought it closer to the two top teams, because Honda's calibration was based on less rapid throttle use.

    Honda F1 technical director Toyoharu Tanabe admitted he was surprised to be so close to the leading pace at Silverstone and said it could suggest the Red Bull-Honda package is not as far from Mercedes as it thought.

    "Maybe, but we need to understand which corner or which straight we have a better lap time or speed," Tanabe told Autosport.

    "Then maybe we can analyse what is good here and what was wrong, what was the deficit in the past seven or eight races.

    "It's not very easy to tell, it looks like the gap got closer compared to previous races - not only the race, but also qualifying. But we have not [got] an easy answer yet."

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    Red Bull's clear progress
    While a detailed answer may not be easy to establish, on the surface Red Bull-Honda's progress is clear.

    Its victory in Austria was recognised as a success on merit but was played down simultaneously, as Mercedes was hurt by cooling problems.

    However, if Silverstone proves not to be an exception, Red Bull may achieve its aim of not relying on certain circuits to fight Mercedes and Ferrari, as has been the case throughout this engine era.

    Red Bull has been restricted to sniping for occasional victories in the V6 turbo-hybrid engine era, as Renault's engine deficit left the team too far adrift at power-sensitive circuits.

    Comparing year-on-year 'supertimes' for the big three teams at the British Grand Prix - taking each squad's individual fastest lap of the weekend expressed as a percentage of the outright best - shows how far adrift Red Bull has been.

    British GP supertimes for big three teams since 2014
    Name 2019 2018 2017 2016 2015 2014
    Mercedes 100.000 100.000 100.000 100.000 100.000 100.000
    Ferrari 100.093 100.051 100.632 101.645 101.226 100.895
    Red Bull 100.215 100.827 101.767 101.199 101.379 100.968
    It also highlights how big a step in performance it enjoyed this season. A supertime of 100.215% also represents the smallest gap Red Bull has had to the front all year.

    Our second table documents Red Bull's relative performance at Silverstone in the 2009-2013 period, and shows just how far it had fallen in the current engine era.

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    British GP supertimes for Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull 2009-2013
    Name 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009
    Mercedes 100.000 101.405 102.002 100.000 100.276*
    Ferrari 101.531 100.000 100.129 100.905 100.572
    Red Bull 100.674 100.275 100.000 100.000 100.000
    * Mercedes not entered in 2009, Brawn data used as top Mercedes-engined team

    The 2019 supertime is Red Bull's best since '11, the last time it had the fastest outright time over the British GP weekend.

    While Silverstone is an aero circuit, it has a high-speed layout and laptime is not as dependent on low-speed corners as some other tracks.

    That is where Mercedes has been very strong this year, so there still needs to be further evidence that this progress from Red Bull continues on more tracks.

    Gains from the chassis and the engine
    Red Bull's car changes have contributed the biggest part of its gains in recent grands prix, after it altered the front wing for Austria.

    That has given the car more overall grip and a better balance, allowing Verstappen to drive more aggressively - hence the change in throttle use that appears to be the cause of the turbo lag he suffered at Silverstone.

    "We have definitely unlocked some potential from the car," said Red Bull team boss Christian Horner.

    "The car has behaved very well at this circuit - and high-speed and low-speed has been competitive.

    "Max was close to the pole time. Without the hesitations maybe he would have got even closer.

    "Then in the race we didn't see his true pace because he spent it stuck behind a Ferrari for 99% of it."

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    Honda has also made progress, and believes its recently-introduced Spec 3 engine - which came with a small power increase - has improved at each of the three grands prix it has been used in.

    "The starting point was not too bad compared to last year's first race with the new spec," said Tanabe.

    "It means we've learned a lot from last year, and the calibration quality we improved from the initial running. We still have areas to learn at the track after the race.

    "In practice situations and real race situations, we could learn a small bit where we could improve our performance. In France, Austria, Britain, we have an improvement."

    Red Bull and Honda will not mount a late title assault but a repeat of Verstappen's 2018 surge, when he was a regular podium finisher and fought for end-of-year victories, should not be ruled out.

    That would add much-needed intrigue in a season dominated by Mercedes so far, as well as laying the foundations for a closer title battle in 2020.
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/145422/not-much-more-honda-can-do-to-secure-f1-future

    Honda believes it cannot do much more to secure its Formula 1 future as its programme chiefs await a decision from the company hierarchy on whether to continue beyond 2020.

    The Japanese manufacturer ended its win drought earlier this season in Austria, where Max Verstappen scored the first victory for Red Bull and Honda's new-for-2019 partnership.

    Verstappen won again in Germany and scored his first pole position in Hungary, as Red Bull-Honda cemented itself as Mercedes' most consistent challenger heading into the summer break.

    Honda is weighing up whether to continue in F1 after the end of next season, and its victory in Austria was well timed preceding a board meeting.

    The company's F1 managing director Masashi Yamamoto told Autosport that in terms of the significance of the place and timing for Honda's first win since returning to F1 in 2015, "maybe the only place it can equal is Suzuka".

    Yamamoto added that what Honda has achieved at this stage of the season is "quite in accordance with my plan, what I had hoped".

    "There is not much we could do more than this," he said.

    "What we've kept saying is we wanted to exceed last year's Red Bull result.

    "We didn't say we want to win five races but we want to exceed the points Red Bull scored last year and maybe five wins is possible."

    Honda needs three more wins and nine more podiums with Red Bull to beat the team's 2018 record with Renault, but is on course to beat its points tally despite a performance disparity between the team's 2019 drivers.

    Pierre Gasly has struggled in his first year with the Red Bull senior team and will be replaced by Alex Albon from the Belgian GP, but Verstappen's impressive campaign means Red Bull has 21 more points with Honda than it did at the same stage with Renault.

    Verstappen has 181 points with Honda power compared to 105 points at the same point in 2018.

    Even Daniel Ricciardo, who was Red Bull's lead driver in the championship heading into the summer break, only had 118 points this time last year.

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    Yamamoto moved into a new F1-specific role for this season after previously being head of Honda's motorsport division, in order to give the project dedicated focus as Honda prepared for a major opportunity with Red Bull.

    His faith in Honda's ongoing participation being approved has been increased following the two victories, which triggered a strong public response in addition to being well received in the company.

    "I think it's going to encourage us for continuation," said Yamamoto.

    "Honda and generally in society [in Japan] are in a very good mood that Honda has won.

    "I think it's going to be very good for us.

    "It's very difficult to clarify at this moment about the timing.

    "It's true we're discussing it within the company.

    "But we can't really say when we can announce it, at the moment."
     
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    Is this a warning shot from Honda that they intend to leave F1 after the next season ?
    Red Bull should be worried about that prospect, as there is apparently no plan B.
     
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    Yes, there is AML
     
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    Aston Martin cannot even build their own engines. :D
     
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    Are you serious ?

    Aston Martin is losing money right now.
     
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    Correct, they use Mercedes engines in their road cars.

    They certainly couldn't afford to build a hybrid F1 engine now.
     
  16. Bas Jaski

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    If Honda would leave F1 after next year and no one offers an engine to RBR, it'll literally be down to 3 names in a hat.

    My guess? They'll end with a Mercedes engine who can claim how utterly dominant they remain as an engine supplier even if red Bull wins.
     
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    Why Mercedes? Why not Ferrari or ... Renault.
    I cannot see that happening. I cannot imagine Mercedes handing over their main asset to a rival team. Mercedes and Ferrari already power 3 teams and have some leverage to resist the FIA. Come to think of it, Renault supplies only 2 teams .... LOL

    I rather think that Dieter Mateschitz would put his threat of leaving F1 to execution, meaning RB and STR closing down.
    Marko must pray for Honda to stay in business.
     
  18. Bas Jaski

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    Mercedes' commitment as a team in F1 is uncertain. They fully know that teams do not dominate for an extremely long time. Supplying the engine to the next team to carry the titles will be sufficient and allows them to move away from F1 quietly yet still make money of it.

    Ferrari can not bear the shame in seeing their customer team annihilating them.

    Do we even need to discuss renault?

    I don't see a reason for Mateschitz to close teams. They make money from F1. Invested heavily. They have an outside chance at the title this year (very outside mind you) and it looks like next year they'll fight tooth and nail for it...so why leave?
     
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    For the Mercedes brand, being simply an engine supplier doesn't bring the same return as winning as a team.
    Probably why they decided to buy Brawn, after years of providing engines to McLaren, to race as a Mercedes Team.
    As far as I know, Mercedes subsidises its clients by leasing its hybrid power units below their real cost, which means they cannot make any money.
    They simply have to satisfy the FIA (stupid) rules. Also, Mercedes would still have to keep a substantial engine department for development, etc ...

    The words of Yamamoto aren't very reassuring about Honda's long term commitment for Red Bull.
    Honda may well judge that they vindicated themselves enough by winning a few GPs, and take the opportunity no to renew their contract at the end of 2020.
    The Japanese have a different mentality about motor racing, and Honda's history is a myriad of coming and going out of F1, so no surprise if they quit suddenly.

    Mateschitz several times threatened to leave F1 if he couldn't get hold of a en engine capable of winning titles.
    That may be the case after 2020 if Honda leaves.
    The whole Red Bull management is nostalgic of the Vettel era when they pocketed 8 titles in 4 years, and hope to relive it again.
     
  20. Bas Jaski

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    New Merc CEO doesn't care for F1.

    Dieter making his threats to leave F1 are the same as Ferrari's. Empty and simply won't happen.

    Entire car industry looks to be in the ****ter soon anyways so can see more than just Honda leaving...pointless spending 100s of millions on an engine with no returns.

    F1 may have a big problem soon if they don't take action. If we need a cheap engine soon...
     
  21. DF1

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    They will not potentially need any new agreements after 2021. It will not matter who is left. The future is not F1 as it is. Its E and ALL the players know this. The evolution will not be stopped. Its only how we get there in F1.
     
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    Ferrari is a company that builds and races cars.

    Red Bull is a soft drink company, that happens to own and sponsor 2 teams.

    That's the difference.

    Sponsors come and go, as they have to look after their core business, which isn't motor racing.
     
  23. Bas Jaski

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    Right...and as a way of sponsorship, F1 and red bulls success is enormously successful way to get the name out there still.

    It's a money making exercise for Red Bull so again i ask you, why would they really stop? Zero reason.
     
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    Formula e (thankfully) holds the rights for electric milk float racing. F1 is not allowed to drive on electricity only.

    And electricity is not the future of mobility, either.
     

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